Ruby/Horsethief Fire Ban

[WestSlopeWW]

Originally Posted by Shotgun Eddy

Hey gaymo, I was there last week and ranger was cool with the charcoal in the fire pan. So open up a schlitz shove it up a whole chicken's bung hole and prepare to enjoy.

If you were there last week like you say you were, you would have seen many of the red and white posted signs saying that only stoves that you can turn off are legal. I'm not telling anyone not to use charcoal, but that stretch of river is most likely to soon become permitted because people are not following the rules. Please dont ruin it for the rest of us just because you like putting things in a chicken's ass.

Here is the link to the official fire ban release stating the rules.
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...20GJ-08-02.pdf

[CUBuffskier]

if an emergency happened i don't think a fire pan would be tops on my list for survival - things like food/water(beer)/shelter/phone/duck tape might be more important

[dgosn]

Originally Posted by WestSlopeWW

If you were there last week like you say you were, you would have seen many of the red and white posted signs saying that only stoves that you can turn off are legal. I'm not telling anyone not to use charcoal, but that stretch of river is most likely to soon become permitted because people are not following the rules. Please dont ruin it for the rest of us just because you like putting things in a chicken's ass.

Here is the link to the official fire ban release stating the rules.
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...20GJ-08-02.pdf

I was there last weekend and ran into the ranger, actually he came up to me and harshed my mellow. Generally I hate authoritarians especially when I am on the river. This guy was an exception, he was very nice. He asked me about the required equipment, and if I had signed in for camp, etc.. Talking to him I was under the impression charcoal was okay. He seemed more concerned about camping issues.

Apparently corn-backed rattlers and failure to sign in for camps is the biggest issue leading to possible permit system. He also said that they were focusing on more weekend patrols to inform people of the regulations. Two groups (canoes) at the ramp I talked to were unaware of the camp signup board, as well as a group armed with 12 people, 1 raft, 2 duckies, and garbage bag gear galore. The people had apparently rented the gear from RimRock, and also did not know about camp sign-up. I am pretty unsure they had a groover either looking at their gear. It was also the first Goth group I have ever encountered on the river.

As much as I hate the m-fing the po-lease I think it might beat a permit system, until I learned of our great states new BUI law. I guess it is a good reason to have no 'control' of my cat on RH as usual.

[CUBuffskier]

the rangers out there can wipe my balls - they have such an amazing place to work going up and dow the river all day yet they feel they "own" it

the friday morning of memorial day weekend this year the sign up board at loma was sitting in waist to chest high water - we launched from fruita and of course didn't "stop" to swim in a fast moving eddy to sign up for a camp - rangers later gave us crap about not signing up and talking about his perigan falcone who is his only friend - he continued to ask if we had more questions when i my head i'm thinking did i ever stop you and ask you a question? when he stopped us on sunday he did not believe we had been out there since friday - apparantly he did not notice the river dropped 15k cfs and our boat ended up beached way high up shore behind trees

they need to put new rangers out there every month so they don't turn into grumpy old men who have nothing better to do than pretend to be a badass like Ponch from CHiPS, but are really just pathetic beings.

[Shiryas]

What a fantastic river attitude!

1) Don't bother to sign in, that really helps screw the trips that do follow etiquette. I sure hope you gave them a hard time when they showed up to 'their' camp.
** Bonus points since you pulled this on a holiday weekend. **

2) Give the Rangers as much grief as possible. This really helps with their outlook on the majority of us boaters. Be sure and demonstrate your lack of tact and disdain for the rules.

In the future, could you ignore the fire ban like the people that did last year and burned the Cottonwood and Mee Corner campsites? If your not quite up to that maybe you could burn Spanish Bottom a second time this year and eliminate ALL of the trees?

You are the problem.

[Shotgun Eddy]

Enough about fire bans. How about these stupid " Groover things"? Why can't I just take a huge dump on the beach? It's just like kitty litter right? Who's with me on this one?

[CUBuffskier]

shiryas you obviously have yet to encounter some of these pricks who call themselves rangers out there around westy

common outdoor sense should be all that is needed on stretches like this

[swimteam101]

Alvin and John have always been cool to me and my friends at westy and loma
Take a look around at the world today and tell me if you think common sense is a gift bestowed on all of us

[Fuzzy]

Yo shot gun I would rather after 18 beers try and spray a tree or two. I too have been screwed by people not signing up for camps. I hate to say it but I think a permit system is in need on Ruby.... I know I will be bashed but it is getting TRASHED

[Shiryas]

CUBuff - I have seen the Rangers at Westy enforce the posted rules a fair bit, especially the lifejacket requirements. I don't think this is out of line in the least, I think those guys just do not want to see one more fatality.

The rules are posted and the expectations known. If you follow them, its 'your' trip that is going to go a lot smoother.

Fuzzy - I live on the western slope and run Ruby/Horsethief a lot, with a Westy tie in as much as possible. I sure hope it does not come down to permits for that section but you are right it is getting trashed and I think it will be that way real soon. If thats what it takes to keep it nice, I'm with you, so be it.