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shonuffkayak · 06-02-2011

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Originally Posted by Beav212

How about a contest? - couple people all flip over at the same time - first one to roll up has to buy a round. That'll keep you under the water longer! I'm a big fan of eyes open and watching that paddle blade the entire way through. If you watch EJ's roll video he preaches a "head down and back" idea that also helps - if you're head is back pretty far you can still get up with out having it on your shoulder.

I also really liked this advice by "MandyK" on another thread - (here: Nervous Beginner)
1. Practice on dry land (see Mandy's dry land kayak Eskimo rolling tips (Creative Pursuits LLC)). Its a great way to develop muscle memory. And you can do it in the living room or on the back lawn without having to swim.
2. Sometimes it is useful to remember that once you have been frightened by something, you are unlikely to "get over it", more likely, with time and practice, you will learn to use the intellectual part of your brain to override the instantaneous panic and take the preferred action - expecting that you will not be uncomfortable/scared/nervous just sets you up to think that you are not going to cope or are not coping. Practice a useful pattern of thoughts, for example, when you flip over, tuck up and set up as you think "I recognize that I don't like being upside down, but I have the skills to self-rescue, if I take a couple of extra seconds to set up properly, check my paddle angle and keep my head down, and use my hips, I'll be out of here in a jiffy - and if it doesn't work the first time, I'll get a breath and try again, I could keep doing that all day ..."
Good luck

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To my thinking - if "I know how to roll" is running through your head when your face hits the water in stead of "oh sh!t" - you're a lot more likely to roll that boat back up!

Awesome learning aid I will have to try this. Thanks for posting

sealion · 06-03-2011

The best tip I ever got at the time was "to keep my eyes open" til I "see the light". Boating here on the Colorado in Moab, its fairly opaque til you get your head near the surface- or if you're bouncing through waves, hanging out in your setup, when you see the light you know you are close enough to roll up.

I second about watching your back around your "buddy". Feel schmeel, he wants to feel what you got.

shonuffkayak · 06-03-2011

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Originally Posted by sealion

The best tip I ever got at the time was "to keep my eyes open" til I "see the light". Boating here on the Colorado in Moab, its fairly opaque til you get your head near the surface- or if you're bouncing through waves, hanging out in your setup, when you see the light you know you are close enough to roll up.

I second about watching your back around your "buddy". Feel schmeel, he wants to feel what you got.

Lol god I love the kayaker sense of humor

brenda · 06-03-2011

What kind of roll do you do. Sweep, C to C etc. I turn and look at the back of my boat and keep looking there the whole time. It is impossible to lift your head when doing this...also makes it safer for rock impact on your face because it is always pointing to the surface. In saying that, I don't know if it would work for a sweep roll??

montuckyhuck · 06-03-2011

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Originally Posted by shonuffkayak

I have a LL remix xp9 and a LL CR80 can roll both just not consistant. Good hip snap just have a problem with keeping my head down.

Actually if your head is coming up you DON'T have a good hip snap. The power for a hip snap comes from contracting that whole side of your body. If your head is moving the other direction you are losing a lot of power and momentum. The hip snap means pulling your hip and head towards eachother to create a "C" shape. When any muscle is pulling the other direction the hip snap is much less effective.

Matt J · 06-03-2011

I think it's important to remember that "your head came up" is also the generic answer to why a roll fails. The most basic unskilled paddler will tell you that if you carp, and they will always yell "paddle" in rapids.

If you can afford it then I suggest taking a lesson.

If your blade isn't diving and it's near the surface and you're fit, strong, and performing a strong hip snap you will roll up no matter what you do with your head. Work on your upper body strength, hip snap, and paddle placement and motion and you will roll.

montuckyhuck · 06-03-2011

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Originally Posted by Matt J

I think it's important to remember that "your head came up" is also the generic answer to why a roll fails. The most basic unskilled paddler will tell you that if you carp, and they will always yell "paddle" in rapids.

If you can afford it then I suggest taking a lesson.

If your blade isn't diving and it's near the surface and you're fit, strong, and performing a strong hip snap you will roll up no matter what you do with your head. Work on your upper body strength, hip snap, and paddle placement and motion and you will roll.

Actually I dissagree fully. You don't need to be strong to roll. It should use as little power as possible. If you are jacking your roll around with just upper body strength you are missing a lot. Your blade set up is important to learn to roll, but once you have the mechanics figured out it really does not matter where you start from. I certanly could not hand roll on arm strenght.

ACC · 06-03-2011

what Montucky said. And, generally, if you are carping, you need to relax and find the right mental state. You need to convince yourself that, essentially, your head should be the last thing to come up. That is counterintuitive because you are thinking "I want air. NOW." But you need to tell yourself that a good roll = air; a bad one = upside down again. Once you have the mental aspect handled, the body will follow.

shonuffkayak · 06-03-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt J

I think it's important to remember that "your head came up" is also the generic answer to why a roll fails. The most basic unskilled paddler will tell you that if you carp, and they will always yell "paddle" in rapids.

If you can afford it then I suggest taking a lesson.

If your blade isn't diving and it's near the surface and you're fit, strong, and performing a strong hip snap you will roll up no matter what you do with your head. Work on your upper body strength, hip snap, and paddle placement and motion and you will roll.

I have taken lessons but live in Kansas so instruction hard to come by. As far as generic answer I know it to be problem from watching video of myself. Look up ugly roll on Youtube under shonuffkayak. Any critique welcome.