Been away for a while (three weeks to be exact) and there was a lot to address here, so…
Originally Posted by Randaddy
If this dog was actually a service dog, or served any purpose beyond catching a Frisbee the owner would have signed in and defended him/herself by now. He's probably embarrassed by everyone's opinion on him and Facebook Dog.
Or was on the Grand Canyon for 3 weeks enjoying life to the fullest with a great group of friends and colleagues.
Originally Posted by Randaddy
I know about the dog's family and I'm not here to compare river logs with an animal. I simply don't support them scamming the system so they can bring their pet when it's not allowed. It's fucked up. I don't care how many miles this stupid dog has- I have more right to enter sensitive dog-free areas. It's not a service dog, it's a lie because the Dvoraks think they own the river and can break the rules.
By the way, the people you claim "actually have a life outside Mountainbuzz" have a Facebook page for their dog. I don't even have one for myself. The prosecution rests.
Didn’t realize we were at trial. Thank you prosecutor, if it pleases the court I would like to bring a few items to its attention:
On the contrary Randaddy, the Dvorak family is absolutely devoted to river/water conservation and fair usage practices, something we take great pride in. The fact that Bill Dvorak used to build glass kayaks by hand in the 60s to run Grade V has nothing to do with this post.
Facebook is a useful tool, and Maggie the river dog is a valuable character in our companies marketing efforts. Many people recall doing rafting trips with Maggie and request her exclusively on their rafting trips.
“Denver, Colorado-State Senator Lucia Guzman, Commerce City Mayor Pro Tem Dominick Moreno, Dvorak Expeditions owner Bill Dvorak, and Confluence Kayaks owner Alex Manzo joined Environment Colorado Research and Policy Center at the Colorado State Capitol to call on President Barack Obama to restore Clean Water Act protections to the Colorado River and waterways across Colorado and the country. “
“Bill Dvorak is famous around Colorado for his successful Dvorak Expeditions, which make the arduous decent into the Black Canyon of the Gunnison for one to three day rafting adventures. Bill Dvorak owns the very first River Recreation Outfitter License, #001. He has built his reputation for enabling people of all walks of life to enjoy the Gunnison River and Arkansas River. To fly fishers, Bill has made famous the Salmon Fly hatch on the Gunnison in June. Bill also has another hat. He is currently the Public Lands Organizer for the National Wildlife Federation. Like his passion for fishing and the river, he is passionate about protecting our public lands for future generations and the enjoyment of them right now!”
I could continue, but hopefully you get the idea.
Originally Posted by caseybailey
If it's the dog I'm thinking of, it probably has more river miles than you (and it's owner DEFINITELY has more miles than you). They probably got the info they needed, actually have a life outside of Mountain Buzz, and are out enjoying fall.
FACTS! The Grand Canyon was truly Epic (even without Maggie), late season SUPing, mountain biking, and fishing have been truly amazing this fall season as well. FYI if anyone cares Maggie ran her first grade III rapid on a SUP with me a few days ago.
Originally Posted by slavetotheflyrod
If I'm away from home for 3-4 weeks I'd much rather
have the dog guarding the house than enjoying a long boat ride.
Besides, if 120lbs of mutt comes along that means 120lbs of steak and beer doesn't.
Fact! Needed that beer room for sure, but would happily make space for some dog food if it was possible.
Originally Posted by Chip
The problem for me is that it's not fair to the dog. There are so many rapids in the Grand Canyon, some of them big, that a dog could get washed out of a boat repeatedly. If the owner was rowing the boat, it might be hard to do a rescue, since a dog moves faster in a current than a raft, especially a raft that's being rowed to maneuver.
If the owner is a passenger, trying to hold onto the dog (probably a scared dog) and the boat might not work so well.
If the dog is tied to the boat, it could get badly hurt or killed.
We took our dog on Deso, under the old rules, on a fall trip and it worked out fine. She loved it. We loved having her on the trip. So I'm not against having dogs on rivers.
But I wouldn't take our dog on a Grand trip.
No offense to yourself or your dog, but when we teach swiftwater rescue courses on the Arkansas Maggie is often my swim partner in Grade IV training swims please trust me, she can hold her own in a rapid. In effect this dog is trained as a whitewater rescue dog and is always the first carbon based life form to dry land in a carnage situation, she is also the winner of the 2010 FIBark Raft rodeo.
Furthermore she has nearly 3,000 river miles including Pine Creek and the Numbers at above recommended cutoff flows on the Arkansas River (the video is kinda cool if interested).
Originally Posted by carvedog
Wait a minute....isn't this the same guy who bragged about running a 75 lb raft with little or no gear, while in the background there were his tripmates loaded down as a usual GC trip would be.
This doesn't sound so strange coming from that point of view. It's all about him...not us.
The reason that I was able to take a photographer boat on the Grand Canyon is due to the fact that our Grand Canyon trips are overstocked with Grade V international boaters (6 of them from New Zealand and 10 in total with 6 rafts on the trip you are speaking of) and we are very effective at CYA & RTF…L
Even more so when there is a nimble empty boat to make rapid moves with (I helped right 4 rafts and rope 2 out of the corner pocket of Lava Falls, because of this raft on my last trip) when necessary.
Plus, growing up with 20 to 30 raft guides your entire life teaches you early valuable sharing skills… I.E. we take turns in the toy boats. We had a 9’ raft, a 12’ raft, 3 kayaks, and 4 SUPs on our most recent trip.
Lastly, jealousy is a stinky cologne carvedog and if you really want something to be jealous of I am running that same boat again next September with my camera gear/expertise and getting paid to do it.
Originally Posted by liquidphoto
Plus, if you flip. You may have R.I.P. on the FB page. I have labs, they are strong swimmers but they don't know where to and not to swim all the time. Leave them home.
With all due respect I disagree. Water dogs are incredibly resilient and intelligent when it comes to flow. Maggie will drop into the deepest water until she sees her guaranteed safety eddy and makes moves ALWAYS well before her human counterparts. Maggie is not your average Golden Retriever, she is in fact a true river dog and an incredibly well trained one if I do say so myself.
I just feel as though she has paid her dues and deserves to see the Colorado as much as any of us do.
Originally Posted by stuntsheriff
why don't you just stay home and walk your dog?
Unfortunately she had to stay with the grandparents instead of go boating, and did plenty of walks while she lives freely on 10 acres of land.
Maggie is not allowed on the Grand Canyon as a “Therapy Dog” at least not at this point, which is why she did not accompany us. This was never intended as a scam to the system, but merely an inquiry as to the legality of her on the trip. I thought I would ask a bit of the boating community their thoughts and experiences in this matter. As I said earlier I feel as though Maggie is as deserving if not more deserving of a Grand Canyon trip as someone who pays thousands of dollars to accompany a commercial or private trip.
Regarding all the inquiries to Maggie’s status as a therapy dog, that is a confidential matter between Maggie and her owners. You may PM me if you are genuinely interested and I will likely explain if your question is not malicious.
Thank you to those who did not assume the worst of us as dog abusers or scammers, both which we are not.
To those who felt the need to only share negative sentiments, well I am somewhat disappointed in this. I have always thought worlds of the boating community as a whole.
To return to civilization from the Grand Canyon (best trip ever) to so many harsh and assumptive posts was rather shocking.
Maybe you should boat more and enjoy this world instead of trolling through threads to ridicule people you have no knowledge of. Perhaps this would help you to be a happier human.
The Dvorak Family
and to all "Best Day Ever!"