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Old 04-09-2012   #1
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Ranch surrounding Big Timber Creek for sale

Lazy K Bar ranch in Big Timber Montana for sale, $9 million. 8,500 acres, and includes ownership of 11,000+ Crazy Peak.

Big Timber kayakers essentially cross all over Lazy K Bar property to scout and portage Big Timber. This might not be good.

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Old 04-09-2012   #3
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Sounds cheap. Maybe AW can pick it up.

But seriously, some rich boater needs to buy that.

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Too bad those folks are class acts and not just because they provide access to that creek. Hope things turns out favorably but the track record for mulch-millionaires and land access isn't too promising. They have such an amazing place but I really doubt anyone who steps into their shoes will carry on anything like the legacy they have left.
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Hmmm... if people know who they are maybe they can contact the owners and see about getting a whitewater easement written into the agreement. I bet AW would support such things.
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AW is aware of the potential sale.
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If you like big slides and falls ,as long as you've got your checkbook out may as well pick up this property too or search

the one with the 24.58 acres and picture of the Insanity Slide

click the second one
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Shit... Time to race no better year
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Old 04-09-2012   #9
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If anyone knows who at AW is considering contacting the Van Cleve's...

Please have them reconsider. There is already an easement in place for the campground and trailhead. This would remain intact. Bringing attention to the fact that kayakers actions have been an issue up there is a bad call. It will only raise concerns in the eyes of the new owners. I believe that it is unlikely they would understand that they own the land that is required for scouting/portaging major drops. (The run could be made "unrunnable" by the landowner simply pulling access to the scouts/portages.) For most wealthy landowners, limiting access to any user group is typically considered a good idea. In my opinion, it would be wise to watch how this develops silently, remind everyone to BE CHILL AND RESPECTFUL to whomever owns the land up there and approach the situation only if it becomes one. Tack Van Cleve knew that area and his power of control over it much, much more intimately than the new owners will. He, and his family, were pacified by our communities corrective actions last time and harbor no ill will toward paddlers at this point. This could be more like a "clean slate" up there, as the new owners will not have the power to shut down access to the trail, creek or campground and do not have any reason to think kayakers might act like douchebags at their gate. Let's not give 'em one.
BTW - Kodadek, I did notice your post stated that AW was merely "aware" of the sale and not actively pursuing anything. Just would like to voice my opinion to any interested party at AW...
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Old 04-09-2012   #10
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I definitely do not speak for AW. My guess is that they are sensitive to the situation.

Personally, I agree with you. I think the most important thing at this point is to spread the word that boaters should be especially respectful while passing through the ranch this spring and summer. Of course, there was never a reason not to be before, but pissing off a potential new owner could end with a seriously bad result.

Unfortunately, I do not share your optimism regarding the naivety of potential buyers to a piece of property like the ranch.

I realize there are many people who have worked with the owners to maintain paddler relationships. Thanks. Let's hope for the sake of creeking in Montana that we will always have a positive relationship with whoever owns or manages the ranch.

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