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Old 03-18-2004   #1
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Problem with new Dagger outfitting - need help

I was able to get my hands on a Dagger Kingpin Icon 6.3 for a few weeks & I’m trying to get it set up for a Westwater trip in April. The number of adjustments that this boat has is incredible, but there is one thing that won’t move: the seat. Per the instructions, all you have to do is “loosen and remove the yellow seat knob, lift the tab from the bold, slide the seat into position, [and] replace the tab and tighten the knob.” That doesn’t jive.

After hours of pulling, tugging, and creating new words, the seat will not move. So I did what any reasonable kayaker would do in a dry March: I completely disassembled the kayak. It turns out that the seat is riveted to the piece that it is supposed to slide on.

So what gives? Do I have some preseason prototype, or is someone at Dagger asleep at the switch? Aside from drilling the rivet out and re-riveting the seat in place, can anyone give me any advice on how to fix this?

There is, of course, a chance that I’m a complete idiot & I’m just doing this wrong, but I’m willing to take the chance… Please help! The guts of this boat are in a pile on the floor. Thanks.

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Old 03-18-2004   #2
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Hey Spencer, (good to see you at the party) funny you mention that problem because when I 1st tried to adjust my seat I had a little difficulty as well. Anyway the trick is to take the knob off, pull the plastic tab clear of the screw (you should know what I am talking about) and pick the boat up by the seat holding the boat in a vertical position like you might be in a bow stall & proceed to slam the boat into the ground until the seat moves forward into the desired position. Hope that works for you...
Oh yea and although you have always had the quote wrong you should live by it,

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Old 03-18-2004   #3
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My gride seat slides just fine. odd.
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Old 03-18-2004   #4
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easly solved

i had the same problem, drove me crazy until i figured it out. just remove the soft seat pad(4 bolts) and then underneath that is one bolt that tightens the seat down, problem solved. leave it loose to adjust seat with yellow knob or tighten it up again when you have the seat in the desired position.
would be cool if dagger gave us these instructions with the boat. the bolt under the soft padding just keeps the seat a bit more snug when paddling.
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Old 03-18-2004   #5
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Atom: I agree, but how did you get the foam seat off without tourching the little nobs on the bottom side that hold it down? The bolts aren't there to hold the pad down, they are there so you can change the width of the seat. Thanks.
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Old 03-19-2004   #6
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All set. Thanks for all the help. Took Phinney's advice & smashed the seat on the ground until it moved. I never could get to the bolt under the seat w/out trashing the pad. So now the question: Westwater, fins or no fins?
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Old 03-23-2004   #7
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Pull up the front of the seat pad (it is snapped in there) and do a slight loosen to the screw there. It holds the seat in place futher down but might be over tightened.


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