Originally Posted by RiverWrangler
If I may... the Ark is, well the Ark - about 5,000 male raft guides camping out of their trucks with over inflated egos trying to learn how to kayak. About six female raft guides, four of which are Amazonian in size, one who has a good body, but hairy armpits and then one who is close enough to attractive that every time she goes anywhere she is hounded by at least fifteen of said male raft guides. A few pro kayakers and other assorted bros live their and they truly do own the playspots and route Lake Creek when it's high... but again, any woman who is not a raft guide is either married or engaged. As for comparing Clear Creek and Lake Creek with the Big South and Joe Wright/Spencer, JV I think you are either A) smoking crack or B) you've never left Chaffee County long enough to run the best creek run in the state.
As for the Numbers, they are OK but I believe CRC mentions something about the middle narrows being the best class IV in the state. Then u got the rest of the narrows if u got the nuts. At high flow I would say Upper Mishawaka is pretty comparable to the #s. Maybe a step down in difficulty but the scenery is better. If you keep going to Pineview you get a rapid which is steeper and higher quality then anything on the #'s. And don't even say Pine Creek because it's just a wave train with a big hole that must be missed, not really a five star rapid - like say lower narrows or whiteline. The playspots on the Poudre are lacking but playboating is a lot like laser masturbating without an internet connection and when you're done paddling there is the mishawaka + a real town w/good food and lot's of attractive young woman a la CSU. Unless you are looking to join the rodeo circuit of the late 90's, the Poudre is the spot.
This is better than talkin shit with the slaiver boys anyday!!! You have me laughin my ass off!!! I had to retort..
Ok I would rather have 5000 raft guides anyday over say 1,000,000 gapers in the genral area, the traffic jams, and in genral city life - I have done it, dont like it, and you can keep it... Lots of rats runnin to cubicles is what I see... Then you all look to friday at 2 pm when the bell rings and the race is on at that point... Not sure why people do it but again whatever floats your boat..
So i guess crusin for chicks at the mall is what you guys do... This is cool i guess.. Up here there is gettin to be quite a few real and cute ladies that dont want or need the rat race... Most of the boys that I know have no problems in the area but I can see where a transplant ranger would...
Now you are right big south is the shat so lets get on that big south for a after work run tonight leavin about 6pm... Oh yea that is not a every day run... So when does the gate open this year bra... The mish is boring and if you are in the area the narrows are worth it... If you are already in the area..
You are right on clear creek it is best for a laps, bonfires, BBQ, and the yearly 6 pack sneak... Most are just not prepaired for the six lap feast - it is much harder than you think!!!
Funny that "rangers" blow up my PM up when Lake hits 300... I just guess pittfully low flows is what you get used to down on the "range"... Come up this week for a lower 4 session at 5+ feet... Middle at the paralyzer, kiss me gets easier, and the line at the caldron is about a hair width wide.. Yea paralyzer did change - the right sneak got some balls dropped in there this winter - so middle or left is the only way... Or you could wait until 300 when you can run it all in ducky backwards..
Funny that "bro's" from saliva dont have creekers and "city dudes" from the pouder evidently dont have playboats... Kinda bass ackward when you think about it.. Never figured out these "clicks" in boating but to each their own.. Well if you got a playboat around bring her up for a play run of upper lake.. Good spots up there and anyone can do the tricks or do the run but only a few are doing the tricks on this real run...
As far as playboating and the lameness of it... Well come over and just drop into one and a half a couple of times or big drop.. Not for most 4 year olds rafting or hard core creeker types from the front range... On your 10th round of unintendo's and just before your breath runs out and you swim the thought of man this playboatin on huge wave/holes is harder than it looks!!! Again laughable that there is any wave even close to the pouder to compare it to.. I bet you boys would playboat if you had waves this good.. For me surfin a nice 8-10 foot wave hole is just about as good as it gets..
Now for the man made spots.. They are a true symbol of the community and what is important to us up here.. Harv, Worm, Selby's, and a ton of people came together to get these in the river and working... This sence of community is something that is just not there down on the front range.. I know it is hard to understand for you rangers but this is a community up here that will work together to get what we think is important done.. NOT talked about and bickered over but done and in the river... Until you can get enough boater and community support to back this in your area you just cant talk shit pierod... So shut me up and get in a spot!!!! g-wood did it this year.. Oh yea that is not a ranger community...
Have a good week up there boys... Let the rest of us who are by the nature of our residence forced to run sub par whitewater know when the gate is open.. Another way of puttin it is let the rest of us know when the big south gate opens so the only section of whitewater worth drivin that far to get is ready to go.. Because if I am drivin 4 hrs somewhere that is the only seciton up there that is even close to worth the drive..