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Old 02-27-2006   #21
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You want the Facts call the Park Service.

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Old 02-27-2006   #22
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Sorry about the collision... Word on the street you might need a little reconstruction.

As for consequences, the National Parks Service can push as hard as they want. Felony, you bet ya. Moreover, gear confiscation can include the vehicle used for access.

They are pretty serious if they catch ya, talk to those basejumpers you might know.


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Old 03-01-2006   #23
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I once read about a guy, maybe it was Fletcher Anderson? who hiked in supply caches over the course of a summer. Then the next summer solo poached the entire canyon in his folboat. Ahh the good ole days!

We did have a canoeist try to join our trip at the put in, LOL. He was there everyday he said hoping to get on someones trip.
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Old 03-01-2006   #24
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yeah joe, this guy i talked to said that a friend of his poached it and got caught and as a result isn't allowed to paddle any river any time. so not worth it. and besides, who'd want to paddle it in a kayak any way? i've heard the motorized 30' barges are the way to go. carry more beer and a comfy lawn chair to boot.

any interest in another go 'round on cross this spring? i've been meaning to learn to roll my turbo (or at least self rescue)!
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Old 03-04-2006   #25
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Having worked for the Park Service, I advise you to consider that if you do get caught, it would be a federal offense since you acted against the US Department of the Interior. Yes, the whole damn system of Grand permits is sickening, but I would NOT want a federal felony on my record.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Old 03-04-2006   #26
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Dude, poaching the grand would pail in comparison to your kiddie porn convictions. You've nothing to lose. Oh..except all your gear. Oh yeah, and your car. And lots of cash. Unless, of course, you rambo your way out of there, .50 cal style. Explosive arrows, too? You know, for the choppers.
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Old 03-05-2006   #27
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a heard of someone trying to poach back the later 70s early 80s. It used to be you could only be on one permit each season so, so people would used fake ids and go twice. Anyways my friend got caught, allowed to finish out with group, but had to go back to court in the area where they recieved a 10 year ban from the NP. Thats how it used to be handled, its probably different now
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Old 03-05-2006   #28
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what about just showing up at the put in and hanging out... i would think if you had a week or so buffer and had all your gear and food you could run into someone who had space on their permit... offer to do their dishes... safety boat... shoot photos or vids for them

it's an idea anyways...

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