Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-04-2008   #31
caverdan's Avatar
C. Springs, Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,443
Stupid laws save stupid people the population growth spirals out of control.

Say NO to more stupid laws.

caverdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008   #32
Boulder, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2007
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 94
Agreed. Seems like there are different categories of users who display different levels of smarts vs. stupidity.

Cat 1: People who are in love with the river. Rafters, kayakers all private. This is their life and they love obsorbing more knowledge about the river and getting better to run more difficult and dangerous runs. They will most likely regulate themselves and do not need additional laws to require them to wear a PDF at all times. They can make sound decisions.

Cat2: Interested in the river but inexperienced. Most likely going to be hiring a guide for whatever they intend to do. The guides will regulate them and ensure the fact that they wear the appropriate gear.

Seems to me that this group is prone to problems and perhaps guide companies should be required to have more indepth education of their clients prior to running say class -4 or high runs.

Cat3: You general redneck idiot that has no business on the river to begin with. This is your darwin prone category and as they throw their tube, flotantionless body, and keg tied to foot into the class 4 rapid and quickly drown. A law wouldn't get them wearing it anyway and if they don't die here then surely some other force will claim them down the road.

So make a law and you get those that are responsible recieving citations on flat water for say fishing without their pdf on from their raft. That's BS and unnecessary. The guide company clients are all already wearing them at all times so they are fine aside from the fact that lots of these clients cannot swim. Finally the jackass who ruins everything for everyone will be reintroduced into the cycle of life as they will be anyway.

jbarnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008   #33
lhowemt's Avatar
at my house, Montana
Paddling Since: 2020
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,345
No, but get one that fits well

A guy just died on the Dearborn river in MT. He didn't have his PFD on because "it restricted his rowing". GET ONE THAT FITS AND IS COMFORTABLE. I think that is a cop out, just say you don't like wearing it all the time, which is totally understandable in some cases (flatwater, not the dearborn at 6K+). If PFD's can be worn for 3+ weeks on the GC, it seems there must be some that are comfortable and won't overheat.

Originally Posted by Randaddy View Post
Making a law that mandates wearing a PFD is like making a law mandating that people wear condoms. It might be safer, but sometimes it's just not as comfortable.

lhowemt is online now   Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Topic Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
beginner PFD KyleT123 Kayaking | Gear Talk 3 12-27-2006 06:37 PM
Lost PFD SkiandBoat'87 Lost & Found 0 06-04-2006 07:12 PM
Laws with children on rafts? Jobu Whitewater Kayaking 7 05-12-2006 11:01 AM
K9 PFD Travis Whitewater Kayaking 11 03-03-2006 05:44 PM
PFD help ... and please help! yuengling_ben Kayaking | Gear Talk 3 04-24-2005 11:22 AM

» Classified Ads
Wavesport Project X 56

posted by rendock

Hardly used Wavesport Project X56 kayak $400 obo


posted by Rendezvous River Sports


2016 Dagger Axiom 9.0 (LG)

posted by atom

2016 Dagger Axiom 9.0 Used a handful of times. Great...

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:56 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.