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Old 04-07-2011   #21
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Do all those cuts equal to these two cuts. Correct me if my math is wrong.
Return estate tax to pre George W levels (34+billion /year)
Eliminate tax loopholes (80+billion/year). This tax could even be reduced with a substantial profit if it is enforced.

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Old 04-07-2011   #22
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I'm so sick of our effing politicians. Washing no longer works for the middle-class, it works for powerful corporations and wealthy individuals. And no wonder the middle-class is being systematically destroyed...

Let me know when you're ready for the pitchforks and the torches...

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Old 04-07-2011   #23
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Well... RMNP will stay open

Larimer sheriff vows to keep Rocky Mountain National Park open - The Denver Post

I like our new Sheriff's attitude, kinda makes me glad I voted for him.
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Old 04-07-2011   #24
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I just learned you either run shit or eat shit in this country. There are no openings for running shit, so i opted for the latter. you think the honeybadger gives a shit. we are done as a people, it is all about the individual. laws no longer apply, do what you want, they do.

evolution and kindness will always prevail, no matter how bad it gets. look at africa, they are happy. we can be just like.... wait.
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Old 04-07-2011   #25
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Wow. Thanks for the post Andy.

Looks like a systematic dismantling of the EPA. Can anyone guess who is funding politicians campaigns?
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Old 04-07-2011   #26
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Originally Posted by Lin3Dawg View Post
So I was thinking about this "shut-down". This may be the best opportunity to run a river I have been wanting to run. Anyone ever thought of running the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone? It's a federal law that keeps it closed. Well if the federal government is closed, do those laws still apply? Combined with the lower amount of park rangers in the park. One wouldn't have to be so stealthy about going in there.

Anyone, anyone, Bueller?
The park isn't plowed out yet, but in theory this would be good idea. Only park rangers monitor this and if they are off duty... Maybe if you had enough sleds...

I'll help run shuttle and hold your bail money if it doesn't work out.
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Old 04-07-2011   #27
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Originally Posted by Jensjustduckie View Post
Well... RMNP will stay open

Larimer sheriff vows to keep Rocky Mountain National Park open - The Denver Post

I like our new Sheriff's attitude, kinda makes me glad I voted for him.
I don't think he has a say or power over a park shutdown, but I'm glad your glad.
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Old 04-07-2011   #28
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Wait a minute. Aren't National parks designated as such to protect the area from development and ensure access to the public? Sending the rangers home does not negate that basic principal. Just because they aren't there, doesn't mean they should be able to keep us out of our public places (if permits have already been awarded, etc.) I have heard that Deso/Gray and some other rivers have said it will be "proceed at your own risk" rather than a shut down- which is as it should be.

Just because the Gov't doesn't have their shit together, doesn't mean we don't. But isn't that the way it's always been?
"There is NOTHING--absolute nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. Look here! If you've really nothing else on hand this morning, supposing we drop down the river together, and have a long day of it?" -Wind in the Willows
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Old 04-08-2011   #29
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Vehicles can be shuttled to Split Mt as long as it is before the shut down. We have a phone number of the law enforcement officer who will let vehicles out. Give us a call if you have questions.
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Old 04-08-2011   #30
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Westwater and Ruby Horsethief

Just spoke with the ranger at BLM Moab who had sent the following out regarding the Westwater volunteer training meeting that had been scheduled tomorrow. I've bolded the important part, remember that currently this is all preliminary. The BLM River Office had previously told TLs that self registration would be allowed for permit holders, this is no longer the case.

Jennifer also stated that a shutdown could possibly also affect people floating Ruby HT as the Westwater ranger station will be closed if there's a shutdown. She's still waiting on guidance on this issue.

There will be a notice posted here once they know.


Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: possible government shut down...

I am awaiting further direction from the BLM Washington office but at this point it looks like the WAVE training will be canceled/ postponed until further notice due to a possible government shut down. This is not my desire however, in the event of a government shut down Westwater Canyon will be closed to both commercial and private use as of the shut down (which would be 12:01 am Saturday 4/9/11). I will send out an email later this afternoon if I receive additional information.

Jennifer Jones- Outdoor Recreation Planner Moab BLM, 82 East Dogwood, Moab, UT 84532
phone: 435-259-2136
fax: 435-259-2158

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