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Old 04-18-2011   #31
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Originally Posted by luke c View Post
There are 6 going on the trip that the other 10 have never been on the river with. 4 of them we have never even met. 2 of the 6 only the permit holder knows. I questioned the 6 people we don't know going for the fact that we do not know them. Out of the 10 others two of them have been down the Grand Canyon two times each as guides. The other 6 were chosen because of experience. All of the other 10 have boating experience. It isn't like a bunch of newbies going. Try wrap your minds around that one.
So you're not the TL, you're the guy without a boat? Is this why you're so upset, because nobody will let you ride along for free? Rent a boat and have fun. If you don't have the experience to row a raft then maybe you shouldn't go if nobody has a seat for you.

You shouldn't expect for people to give you a ride on the boat that they shelled out thousands of dollars for just because you don't own one!

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Old 04-18-2011   #32
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One solution would be to rent an 18 footer with a stern frame. Set it up with plenty of day cooler room and the TL gets on the oars back there with his six subjects set up to paddle for him. Their dry bags and all group gear would gladly be absorbed among the other vessels.

The former guides on the trip could even counsel him on handholding techniques and dealing with peoples' BS.

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Old 04-18-2011   #33
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A boat with just me and the lady sounds about right.
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Old 04-18-2011   #34
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I am going to take a Large Ponderosa down the river with a set of Aspens for oars. I just relized he does not evan need to take a passenger because I can take a few on my new Ponderosa / Aspen rig. Thanks for getting me lined up on the passenger thing. I am not the trip leader and I have no Boat other then the ponderosa with aspens for oars.
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Old 04-18-2011   #35
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If everyone is experienced why would they want to be a passenger? I can't imagine sitting by while someone else rows the fun stuff. Our last trip we had 9 or 10 rafts, but most were 14 footers. More fun to row yourself
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Old 04-18-2011   #36
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So I am very lost on your point luke c. Are you venting because this guy that was asked to go on a gc trip that has his own boat just wants to spend the river miles with his wife? Is it your spot on the trip that is in limbo because nobody has room or wants to make room for you? I would listen to what people have said and rent your self a boat. If you cant row some of the rapids I am sure someone would love to row them for you. But really I have missed your point and are coming off to me as someone I would not want to be on the same trip with.
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Old 04-18-2011   #37
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Look she's not my f**kin lady friend, man, I mean like, you know?

Its simple. Its a two week long trip. If you own a boat you are the captain of it and you are entitled to let whoever you want on it or nobody on it if that's how you want to row it.

If you can't live with it, its your fault for selecting someone with this attitude if you can't live with it or don't think its conductive to a group trip. You are not past the put in at this point so go with what your gut tells you.

There are people I let spend an afternoon on my boat and they drove my freakin batty You are always going to have sources of friction on a multiday type trip. Pick your battles. Live and learn.

If you are trying to save on expense by having a bunch of extra load (IE non boat owners) split across many boats do yourself a favor and rent an extra boat or a boat with a stern frame and set up for paddling.

If he only wants to carry his own gear and his own passenger and nothing more, then why did you invite him onto a group trip? I'm assuming he's cool with sharing the load of the weight for the group in his gear space, even if he's not required to take an extra passenger.

If not boot him off the trip and fricking be done with it before the page counter gets to 5 ...
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Old 04-19-2011   #38
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Originally Posted by Randaddy View Post
Sounds about right. I rented an 18 footer for me and my lady last month and I sure didn't want some dude without a boat riding along. I only take passengers if I'm getting paid or laid. Get your own rig dude...
This is my motto
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Old 04-19-2011   #39
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luke c - you make me so confussed. trying to follow your post(s) is like trying to solve a rubiks cube in the dark.

You say you have a raft for you and your family, but you are looking for a spot for someone apparently.

you invited the guy who wants to be with his wife. Been down many times so.....

I want to know who is the passenger? Are you trying to put your wife on his boat? So you can kayak?

Everyone has experience right?

Then who is such a bowsprit that they don't want to run their own rig?

Who is on third?

I still can't follow this....
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Who's on first. I dont know is on third's_on_First?

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