Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-19-2009   #1
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 393
Pandoras access issues?

Someone just forwarded me this. Anyone know anything about it? Are future Pandoras boaters f'd? Not cool but given the nature of the hike maybe this was bound to happen sooner or later?

Demshitz caught brown handed in Pandora's box by Brinestone Cowboy

doublet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #2
Durango, CO
Paddling Since: 1990
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 211
Dumshitz, maybe. I hate to say it, but I told you so. It was only a matter of time. Back to running the Sieve section if you want it ( not me).

d.e. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #3
hullflyer's Avatar
Durango, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1989
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 187
I am still pretty bummed out that Baker's got written up in the new guidebook.The access has always been an issue and writing about it in a guidebook should never have happened. It's illegal! Don't make it common knowledge. If it hadn't been written about people would not know to go in there and keep it under wraps the way it's been going on 20 years. The Embudo got written up and before that only a handful of SW Colo. and Taos locals went down every spring. I remember calling the Embudo something like Arroyo Hondo to people so my Taos buddies wouldn't be pissed at me about letting their little secret stash out.
I don't believe the landowners are going to be open to any sort of negotiations about crossing their property. Now that the cat's out of the bag I would think the English Ranch are gonna be more militant about protecting their privacy. If you are going in there anyway I would suggest walking from Rockwood Station up and over. takes another 20 minutes but you still have to cross their land and you are still trespassing so the game is up. As far as running the sieve section that's a viable option and you can hike around and over a bunch of it which takes over an hour. so all day to run a three mile section? hmmm. Maybe were back to running Vallecito at 1.5

hullflyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #4
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 147
Based on the description of what they did on BT, they did a great deal wrong.

#1 Get a guide. Wandering around in there is what gets you busted.

#2 Stay off the road. Yeah it takes longer but now look what you did.

#3 Get a guide.

It should not have been written about. If your good enough to go there, you'll get invited, or you know who to ask. Hopefully the dust settles and this run is not lost to us.
PARKER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #5
Jackson, Wyoming
Paddling Since: 1492
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 283
Stealth runs need to remain STEALTH runs.....

Sounds like you guys are experiencing similar, but not quite the same, issues we faced up here after the "Montana Surf" authors thumbed their noses at the the rangers in Yellowstone. We used to be able to get away with it, carefully. Now, it's pretty much a waste of time to even try, unless you get all free gear and someone is willing to post your bail and pay your fines. I have ** Yellowstone runs, no tickets, no hassless. Good luck trying for 1 now.
So many rivers, so little time..........
WyoPadlr1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #6
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 393
I don't understand how you could get to the putin without a guide. The one time I ran it we had a (local) guide and the random trails were pretty confusing. Considering that our guide had us jogging with boats on our heads I wouldn't feel comfortable trying to remember the directions (and I ran it less than a year ago.)

I'm super bummed that the run is kinda shut down but I have to wonder if this wasn't an inevitability? The hike does go right in front of the land owners yard. Obviously more people = more chances of someone getting caught but I'm surprised now is the first conflict.

The guidebook definitely gave the run a lot of exposure but it doesn't provide enough info to actually get to the river. I'd still consider it guide mandatory even with the limited beta from the book.

Take this with a grain of salt as I'm a Front Ranger who relied on my Durango buddies to guide me in there. I'd be way more pissed if this was my backyard run and it just got shut down. My fingers are crossed that someone will figure out a new way to access that run. If the person who figures out new access doesn't feel like telling a soul I won't blame them.
doublet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #7
fullmer's Avatar
. ., Kairotic
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 143
Another reason dimshitz probably got caught is that one member of the group, who shall remain nameless because he is a good guy, dropped his boat and paddle 100 feet into the river the day before. Luckily, he was able to save himself from sliding down the cliff.

Anyway, the group then began blowing their whistles for a while until the boat was found three rapids downriver in the big, right-side grotto eddie above Plunger. The land owner probably heard all of the commotion, and decided to be more vigilant the next day.

By the way, "we" ran Pandora's that day and it was sweet. Our access route will remain unavailable to the rest of the boating community until published in an upcoming guidebook, at which time tours will be provided by locals. Refreshments and pictures will be available for purchase at Baker’s Bridge.
fullmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2009   #8
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 147
Just re read the description. I think sometimes the descriptions are bit exaggerated, but they nailed it here. In "Directions" they say GUIDE. When the dust settles, lets hope trashbag covered boats and facepaint are the new norm for stealth approaches and that newbys do not even consider trying to go sans guide. Again, if your good enough to go in there, you know someone else who is too, and knows the way.

Maybe if we rename it P-Box, and institute a version of the 10 rules of the M-wave, we can keep enjoying this gem.

Lets not *uc* it up more than it already is.
PARKER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2009   #9
JCKeck1's Avatar
Seattle, Washington
Paddling Since: 1999
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,471
Send a message via AIM to JCKeck1
So lemme get this straight. Sounds like a bunch of kids with kayaking skills and absolutely no brains get seen by every Tom, Dick and Jane that live there and decide to run down the tracks without a guide anyway?

What piece of GUIDE f-ing MANDATORY was not understood? What the hell is semi-stealth (rocking hip-hop in the parking lot and waving to the neighbors from the train tracks?)? You either are stealth, had a guide, moved quickly or you did not and just blew access to one of the premier runs in the state for everyone. The Chunderboy would definitely have a broke-off bent shaft for all you boys.

Locals have been running this for years without incident, mostly because they've actually been stealth and aborted when things went this poorly.

JCKeck1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2009   #10
alska, California
Paddling Since: 2009
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by doublet View Post
Someone just forwarded me this. Anyone know anything about it? Are future Pandoras boaters f'd? Not cool but given the nature of the hike maybe this was bound to happen sooner or later?

Demshitz caught brown handed in Pandora's box by Brinestone Cowboy
I read the link that you posted here. I was confused though why he was shot at? If the place that he went to is private property or forbidden, why risk being killed all for the sake of rafting? That's to risky!

rickysymo is offline   Reply With Quote


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Topic Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cheesman access issues 08 N. Wigston Whitewater Kayaking 6 07-03-2008 12:49 AM
Montana creek access issues. Again..... stonefly Whitewater Kayaking 12 06-27-2008 07:59 PM
A reminder we aren't the only country with river access rights issues CO_Patrick The Eddy 0 06-27-2008 02:05 AM
Embudo takeout issues / non-issues atom Whitewater Kayaking 1 04-25-2008 08:52 AM
Access Issues COLDFEAR Whitewater Kayaking 4 09-12-2005 09:23 AM

» Classified Ads

posted by ShamanRx

Brand New never used 2016 XXL Crux. Has relief zipper and...

Fiberglass Slalom boat

posted by Krynn

Glass Slalom Boat. Great edges. Fast boat. Snapdragon...

ShredReady full face...

posted by go-with-the-Flo

Size large/XL. White. Light use, no big hits or scratches....

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:41 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.