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Old 01-24-2010   #11
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"(unless you happen to be goin boatin with joe)"

that is f-ing hilarious Tom, one of the situations I was talking about was with the individual in question, right after one of the sickest pitons I have ever witnessed on eye of the needle NSV.
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Old 01-25-2010   #12
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Thanks for the info folks. Just what I was looking for.

I've got a lendal 4 piece breakdown. I think its a great spare, and you don't feel like you are boating with a rinky dink fisher price paddle when you need it. Any other recommendations for breakdowns for my buddies who might be in the market for one?

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Old 01-25-2010   #13
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Originally Posted by WyoPadlr1 View Post
we'd carry one breakdown per two paddlers, each carrying a half. The Cali paddlers let us know right away what they thought of that plan: dumb as shit.
I'd have to agree with the Cali paddlers--by splitting the spares in two and carrying them in separate boats, you've effectively doubled the odds of losing a spare, as half a paddle isn't much better than none.

IMHO, one per boat is never a bad idea, and an especially good one where walking out is going to be an ordeal...
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied...learn to swim!
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Old 01-25-2010   #14
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It was definitely a great education at the time. I had only been kayaking 2 seasons, and had just come back from a 10-day trip in Mexico where Lars (Holbek) was one of the paddlers. He really was incredibly helpful in changing everything about the way I approached self-support packing and the whole thought-process in general. My boat got lighter, and yet I carried more useful stuff.
So many rivers, so little time..........
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Old 01-26-2010   #15
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My second time on big south our group broke 2 paddles in bar room brawl. I was very glad to be the proud owner of the one breakdown we did have.

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A couple different thoughts for ya:

1. Creeking is a team sport. Everyone carrying a paddle can weight down the entire team. For example, it's nice for one person to have the breakdown and another person to carry the cooking gear. It's especially important to travel as light as possible on runs with big portages/hikes - Upper Cherry, Black Canyon. This saves time and energy for the kayaking, therefore increasing safety and decreasing the chances of needing a breakdown.

2. On gorged out runs, it's a good idea to have more breakdowns as sometimes the person needing one is un-reachable by the rest of the team. We had a situation on Upper Cherry this summer where a paddle got knocked into the water during a tight portage and it was nice that there were lots of breakdowns in the group.

3. For the record, I've only used a breakdown twice in my career, although that NSV situation was interesting, to say the least.

I have no answers for you, but I'd bring less paddles on a IV+/V- river run and more paddles on a V gorged out run. Just depends on your crew.


P.S. Tom did you use a breakdown on the Raven's or did someone else save your shit?
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Old 01-26-2010   #17
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Keck, when I was running the shit down in the SE you were pizza and french frying your ass down the bunny slope at keystone.
So yeah after I swam outta the cave my brother climbed back in there and got my paddle, I don't think I ever have used my breakdown but I carry it most of the time.
If your good at the handpaddling that might work, I just paddled the west prong at high water when a guy swam and hand paddled out thru some shit.

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