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Old 10-30-2004   #1
thatkiwi

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new boater...........

i'm want to get into kayaking, i'm a raft guide and was wondering what is a good boat to start on, on the poudre river, a small, play river most of the time. any suggestions on a good starter boat from all you gurus???
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Old 10-30-2004   #2
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pretty tough to beat a dagger rpm...they are about the easiest boat to roll, surf good and run 3to4+ water really good...also you can find them very affordable $300.00 or less because they are an older generation boat!
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Old 10-31-2004   #3
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I'd advize AGAINST buying a RPM.... If you can get your hands on one to learn your first rolls in the pool, go for it. However, if you want to get into modern day kayaking and learn all the fun new tricks going on today, there is no reason to begin your boating life in an antiquated design.

Id just find whatever playboat is right for you (size, weight, budget etc...) and get that (or narrow it down and ask the buzzz again). Alot of people might tell you that playboats are too edgy to learn in and hard to roll. True, they are a bit harder to roll, but you'll get it....it might add one day to getting your first roll and dialing it.

The advantages greatly outweigh the cons here...., First, a short, flat bottomed playboat will be more stable, turn easier and make you more comfotable paddling downriver (its easier to keep straight than a longer boat) on the class 2 you will be learning on. You wont be paddling any creeks or class 4/5 anytime soon (we should hope) so not having a big boat is not an issue. What you will be doing is getting your roll, getting on easy down river runs and going to friendly playspots. This is when you will be glad to have your playboat because you will be learning the basic play moves faster than you think. Playboating is an ideal way to hone your new rolling, ferrying and eddy catching skills in a non-threatening environment. If you had an RPM at the playspot you'd be bummed, not get in there, and your progression will be slowed....plus you would just want a new 'play' boat so ya might as well start out with one.... Basically, a new design will not limit your progression the way an old one will....
Also, if you really are a kiwi, you're predisposed to being a sick, fearless paddler (its in the water or something), so now worries there.

Good luck...
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Old 10-31-2004   #4
Mountain

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you definitely dont want an r.p.m. i GAVE mine away back in 97.... allot has happened in boat design sense then.. think short, small, and flat bottomed. good luck......
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MM
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Old 10-31-2004   #5
skywalker

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I would check out the Diesel...

I would check out the Wavesport Diesel.
The boat is very easy to paddle...very manuverable. Can be used for the most intense creeks but it is also a great river runner. Check the Diesel Gallery on LP:
DIESEL GALLERY ON LP
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Old 11-01-2004   #6
thatkiwi

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cool, thanks people, that info has certainly given me a great starting point to look around. yes, i am really a kiwi, but i don't know about sick yet, just maybe a little crazy..............peace
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Old 11-01-2004   #7
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The wavesport Diesel will be like the RPM to a beginner, except cost $500 more. No play.

Why does Skywalker recommend it? I don't know, but perhaps him being sponsored by Wavesport has something to do with it.
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Old 11-01-2004   #8
badkins

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I would reccomend a short spud type play boat that is a year or two old, like a Wavesport EZ or Liquid Logic Pop. Good value for the money, stable and forgiving, but will be able to progress with you as you get better. My $0.02
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Old 11-01-2004   #9
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Agree with badkins and myself (above).... The Diesel is sweet if you wanna creek and front-surf a few waves on the way, but you wont really progress onto what that boat is meant for for a few years. If you dont wanna play at all and just wanna paddle straight downriver it would be okay though.

Look at playboats that are a year or two old..... I;d reccomend the LiquidLogic skip/pop series, the Bliss-Stick Flipstick/RAD, Pyrahna S:6, Dagger G Ride etc etc.... All of these are good beginner playboats, a few years 2 years old (excpt the rad) and could probably be found for @ $400
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Finding the right size boat to coorespond with your height/weight is essential.
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Old 11-01-2004   #10
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Agree with badkins and myself (above).... The Diesel is sweet if you wanna creek and front-surf a few waves on the way, but you wont really progress onto what that boat is meant for for a few years. If you dont wanna play at all and just wanna paddle straight downriver it would be okay though.

Look at playboats that are a year or two old..... I;d reccomend the LiquidLogic skip/pop series, the Bliss-Stick Flipstick/RAD, Pyrahna S:6, Dagger G Ride etc etc.... All of these are good beginner playboats, a few years 2 years old (excpt the rad) and could probably be found for @ $400
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Finding the right size boat to coorespond with your height/weight is essential.
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