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Old 06-28-2007   #1
denver, Colorado
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need help choosing a boat

I've been kayaking for a few months now and im looking for a good play/rodeo/freestyle boat, so if you could just help me out that'd be great


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Old 06-28-2007   #2
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dont buy a boat that doesn't fit. just like shoes there are lots of different playboats slicey for holes volume for air the only good suggestion anybody should give is find out what boat you want before you buy on, check out paddle sports stores and demo! one thing to look at is hull you wont know alot yet but you are looking for forgiving edges and a mint condition hull and no oilcanning! good luck have fun boating its addicting specially after that first great surf!

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Old 06-28-2007   #3
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hey man...

lots fo people will chime in on this but I think we all need a little bit mroe information to help you out.

1. what kind of boat have you paddled mostly, what have you liked or not liked about this boat?

2. Do you want a new or used boat?

3. Where do you intend to paddle mostly?

4. How big are you? How tall and how much do you weigh?

5. Many people own 2-3 boats these days: a creeker, a river runner, and a playboat? Which would be your preference?

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Old 06-28-2007   #4
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He did give us some information:

1. He's been paddling a few months

2. He is looking for a play/rodeo/freestyle boat

As for 1. this is difficult to decipher because in three months one could boat 90 days or one could boat none. However, I think common sense could lead us to the conclusion that he's probably been out 10+ times minimum (watch, I'll be wrong, I just know it).

As for 2. I think he's looking for a spud. I'm hesitant to stick a guy in a "slicey" boat that's asking for this range of boat because a) it's obvious where he's leaning in his interests and b) in that genre slicey, while fun, is also old school. I'm not saying that picking up the Forplay or Ace is a bad thing to do, because lord knows there are plenty of solid boaters still having some awesome fun in those boats doing what those boats do best with them. I just think for a guy who is getting into boating now that the appeal of the sport of rodeo is in what modern boaters are able to do in their boats. To me this is evident in his statement about wanting a play/rodeo/freestyle boat.

Note, he didn't say he wanted a river runner with play potential or a playboat with river running potential...and of course, he said nothing about running or creeking for that matter.

In that vein, I'm a firm believer that most of the spuds out there are pretty comprable to each other, from the Agent to the 420 to the Project. I think the Project is getting tons of attention right now, and it is an awesome boat, but these boats only differ slightly. Some will say otherwise, but I think you could get into any of the three and be equally happy/cramped.

And that's the second thing to discover, because each performs for different bodytypes differently. Do you have big feet? Long legs? Are you heavy?

Are you looking new or used?

I see LL Pops and Skips out there a lot...those are some very fairly priced early spuds that can do nearly everything the more expensive, new boats can.

Used is nice, and most people seem to buy used, but if you know you will be into the sport and you have the cash don't be ashamed buying a new boat. Just demo to make sure you like it and buy it. I'm a big proponent of keeping up with technology and I guarantee that getting into as up to date a boat as possible will pay dividends when your skills can match it's capabilities. Don't be the guy who buys the WS Y as a beginner boat and has to upgrade every year hopping from used, out of date boat to used, out of date boat.

With a little more info I'm sure a crapload of folks will chime in and give you a selection you can't go wrong with.
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Old 06-28-2007   #5
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yes, i do also want boat that can handle some class IIIs and IV's
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Old 06-29-2007   #6
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Ok so

im 5'9'' and 155 lbs

Im looking for a good new or used boat thats well priced, and that i can get the most for my money out of it... im looking for a good boat that can handle some class III and IV, but that is also a good rodeo/play/freestyleboat like i mentioned earlier, so if you could help me out, that would be great

Thanks Again
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Old 06-29-2007   #7
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Pyranha 420.

There, I said it. I love the boat, and while it WILL be more difficult to get down river than, say, a Diesel it will do it just fine. Spuds demand that you have a roll, because there is a much higher likelihood of flipping, but you can play your way down class IV all day in a spud if you want to.
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Old 06-29-2007   #8
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agent 6.2

slicey as in kingpin slicey. bliss stick rads are slicey. if you want more volume check out the agent great boat all around or a project! i heard the jackson were great boats aswell theres a new specialist by bliss stick that looks amazing but im really enjoying my agent 6.2
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Old 06-29-2007   #9
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Burn! Sorry just had to say it. I have been surprised by the Jackson star series. Allstar I think would be the size for you. Very forgiving.
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Old 06-29-2007   #10
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If you're goin for a player, it depends both on your size and your style. Players have two separate ends of the spectrum nowadays with lots of boats filling in the grey area in the middle. That being said, your can really make any boat do anything, but some are definatly better than others at particular moves. For 5'9", 155lbs, wanting a boat that will allow a good progression into modern play and still be able to run III-IV stuff, I'd reccommend (In order of favorite to least...)

Dagger Agent 6.2-Super playful, with good volume and pop, slicy ends and surprisingly good for running rivers.

Dagger Kingpin 6.2-Playful with slicier ends than the agent, and slower hull. A bit more predictable for learning to throw ends and less poppy (read less squirrely) while on end.

Liquidlogic CR 125-Longer, fast boat great for waves and the best river runner of the lot. Narrower, so less initial stability but quick edge-to-edge transitions for sweet carves and big bouncy blunts

Jackson Star or Allstar-High performance and forgiving play with comfy outfitting.

Hope this helps, demo all you can, sometimes boats can surprise you.

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