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Old 05-14-2010   #1
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Mr. Shaw gives permission

This is in the breaking news section of the post. How nice of Mr. Shaw to give his permission.

DENVER—Property owners have declared a temporary truce in a dispute with commercial rafters and will allow commercial rafting on their property this summer.

The Jackson-Shaw company, which owns the Wilder on the Taylor fishing reserve, said Friday it is granting the two Taylor River rafting companies, Three Rivers Outfitting and Scenic River Tours, permission to float through its property this summer.
Conflicts between fishermen and commercial rafting on the Taylor River gave rise earlier this year to Colorado House Bill 1188, which died at the end of the legislative session this week. Lewis Shaw, chairman of the company, says it will take time to work out a permanent agreement and he wanted to give rafters a chance to begin their season.

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Old 05-14-2010   #2
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(Not to shoot the messenger.)

How does this "kindness" help those of us non-commercial types?

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Old 05-14-2010   #3
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he wanted to give rafters a chance to begin their season.
Well that's more than the bastards at Zion National Park, they waited until the brink of the short season to shut it down.
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Old 05-14-2010   #4
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raise that bridge

Lets see about getting some volunteers together to help him raise that bridge up another 3 feet. Since we are all friends now and everything..
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Old 05-14-2010   #5
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What a turd. He really does think he owns the river. I can't wait to float through "his river". I'm just sad that I'll have to refrain myself from making a scene. Don't want to give him any ammunition, but it would be a lot of fun ruining his day! Has he ever said how he feels about private boaters? I am guessing that he doesn't know the difference.
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Old 05-14-2010   #6
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I'm betting he knows the difference and a huge reason for "allowing" the commercials to float through is to try to avoid the sort of mass float protests the private boaters have been talking about all along.
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Old 05-14-2010   #7
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Paddle Iraq.....where did you find info on Zion shutting down the canyon? The website doesn't say anything about it. And no offense, but the park shuts that canyon down based on overall park safety. Even with the few that do go in there with no issues, after those two guys who died building a raft this season and last season's fiasco, don't hate the park too much, it takes a lot of $ and energy to send a SAR team in every time someone doesn't show up.
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Old 05-14-2010   #8
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Shaw is trying to play all of us. He looks like the "good guy" now because he is "allowing" the two companies to float through. If you look at the detailes, he will let 4 boats float through from each company. That doesn't work, any of us that have been raft guides in this state now that the commercial boys make any and all there money in the 3 weeks around the 4th of july. They need to be able to take as many boats as there permits will allow when the people are actully here! Im with kclowe us privates need to make a presence on the middle taylor this summer. Every private boater in the state should try to float "his river" at least 2 times this summer!
And while your at it fish the shit out of it!
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Old 05-14-2010   #9
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Originally Posted by ski_kayak365 View Post
don't hate the park too much, it takes a lot of $ and energy to send a SAR team in every time someone doesn't show up.
But they have an annual budget to do this, and if the need decreases so do those jobs and that budget. Most of the NPS SAR guys ( I used to be one in Yosemite) live for that shit. These are not county voulinteers that have regular jobs and show up sporting jansport packs filled with band aids and peroxide. The park service has reacently tried to replace Darwinism with restrictions, this in my mind is not cool.
let the tards walk off cliffs and save the jobs of dedicated SAR techs.

Now back to Mr. Shmuck and HIS river.
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Welcome to our world!!! Many eyes are on this forum, and we need to let them know that we, as public boaters, will run the Taylor from the Damn to Almont in mass all summer!!! Word is that they are scared to death of us!!!! It is time to show them that they should be!!!

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