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Old 04-24-2013   #41
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Definitely splitting hairs. Just call it a sweep. I don't really see how you would fluidly get to the "stern draw" without doing a sweep. In the slalom video and the NF video, the paddlers look to me like they are doing sweep strokes, not "stern draws."

But, of course, you can call all these strokes by whatever name you want. Bottom line is that there are different strokes that are ideal for every situation or paddling style. No matter what, keep a good and aggressive body position.

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Old 04-24-2013   #42
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Posts: 211 about the sweep to hanging stern draw? Really get all the power out of the stroke with awesome torso rotation.

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Old 04-24-2013   #43
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So, I'm not sure if this thread is good or bad or waste of time. In golf, the more I have to think about things, the more I suck.

That NF video is interesting on how everything looks like stern draw correction strokes. It's got me doubting my technique. When I learned EJ-style in the 2000 playboat-mania era, the proper sweep technique is with complete torso rotation - no arm. Completing the stern draw would seemingly leave my torso torqued and perhaps susceptible to a poorly timed lateral.

So is the proper stern draw more like a canoe stroke with more arm or C-to-C torso rotation? I haven't consciously thought about my technique in a while, but I feel like I get quite a bit of turning angle with just a forward stroke and boat lean within my Burn. I also think I do a 2/3 sweep to bow draw to keep a more aggressive forward position.

I think this topic deserves a youtube video.
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Old 04-24-2013   #44
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Draw= Pulling(Drawing) water toward the bow or stern.

Pry= Pushing water away from the bow or stern.

Sweep= Sweeping the paddle blade bow to stern or stern to bow.

C Stroke= Starts with bow draw and ends with a stern pry (example)

Scull= feathering the blade paraelle to the kayak
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Old 04-24-2013   #45
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Us numbers- some one else can come in and explain it better probably than I but I believe that proper form is to keep your toddler's box. Not over rotating your body or shoulders and not extending your shoulders out. You should have a rectangular "box" made of your torso and arms when you paddle. Also you will know your stern draw is correct if when you finish your opposite blade angle is up and in position to take your next stroke. Requires a slight rotation of the wrist. Sorry typing from my phone.

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