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Old 06-21-2010   #21
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Man I have seen this crap way to often.
You get your stuff taken and when you raise hell, you're the bad guy.
I fraking hate that.

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Old 06-21-2010   #22
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I think we all feel for the dude who lost his gear. I've been the victim of that too on multiple occasions. I don't think that's what the aggression is all about.

It is more about the fact that he called out, insulted, and threatened a dude (by first and last name I might add) on a public forum who doesn't even have the jacket. Should Mike have gotten back to him sooner? Probably.

Just think it was a little overkill. It could have been publicly addressed in a more appropriate way. You guys clearly boated together at some point, and I'm sure had a good time doing it. Now though you've severed a bond on the river over a splash jacket. Seems pretty lame to me.

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Old 06-21-2010   #23
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I don't vouche for people. Nor do I play babysitter. You paddled with him too. It's your fault that you didn't get it back that day. In addition, I met you through Ben K... why did I not hear from him? Defamation of my character and image in a public forum is disgraceful. I would understand if I was knowingly doing anything questionable... but I have no interest in your shwaggy leftover river shit (Nor have I ever been in possesion of it). You are completely backwards in your thinking. I don't expect an explaination or apology for your extemely high level of immaturity... all I can do now is sit back and relax while I think about all the stupid/petty people we are all forced to deal with on a daily basis. Comical isn't it?
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Old 06-21-2010   #24
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The question is, did you get any of his messages? If so, here's how this could have been avoided:
<Flashback to 3 weeks ago>

"Hey Randy, It's Mike calling. Sorry it's been a few days; I have crappy cell reception where I am and I just got your message. I'm not super tight with Austin, but his last name is_____, his phone # is ________ and he lives in Idaho Springs. I'll send him an email / call him to coordinate the return of your smelly shortie. Great paddling with you - stay safe."

I guess my take is: if you can be available enough to respond on the internet with 24 hours of someone publicly calling you out, then you probably got one or more of his messages in the last month. So this public spat could have been unnecessary, right?
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Old 06-21-2010   #25
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WOW! Two guys run the Poudre Narrows R2 and the tread gets 3 or 4 replies. But two assholes get in a pissing match about borrowed gear and it gets 23 replies, including a bigger asshole threatening to punch out one of the other assholes.
Ever notice how brave some are when hiding on the internets?

You guys need to going boating.
Not sure if you noticed, but the high water of last week has quickly fallen to low levels and boating season will quickly be over.

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Old 06-21-2010   #26
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Thanks for wasting 10 minutes of my life, although I did find this quite gripping-Kudos to all! Any other a-holes who wish to threaten a beatdown on any other a-holes would be a delight.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchhill
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Old 06-21-2010   #27
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Originally Posted by Randaddy View Post
We ran the Filter Plant together at low water. I loaned you my orange shortie splash top because you forgot your shit. You didn't give it back. You don't return my calls.

Think about returning it before river karma or I make you wish you had. You know you see it in your gear and think "I'm going to get away with this." You're not.

You can drop it off at Wanderlust or give it to any Wanderlust guide. Or send me a PM.

If anyone knows these people (Mike's crew is called the "dirty dozen") please tell them to give my gear back.

I usually don't respond to blogs, but man Randaddy, you are a disharmonious fellow. You have made several, blatant, mistakes here. First of all, you said on your initial blog that you loaned your splash top to Mike, and you didn't. Second, you said Mike forgot his gear at the put in, and he didn't. Third, you are asking him to return your gear when he doesn't have it. Before all of this mess, you forgot to get your shorty at the end of the run, and didn't even get the contact info for the guy you loaned your shorty too, or you didn’t contact him. You refer to the river beat down my friend, but if you want to paddle without getting a beat down, you need to think ahead and prevent stupid mistakes. I feel sorry for you because things aren’t going to get easier until you start thinking ahead and get your loaned gear back from people at the take out... or at least get the contact info of the person who you loaned it to, so you contact/bitch at the person who borrowed the gear. Mike is a solid and safe paddling partner, not worth loosing over an (apparently shitty) shorty.

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Old 06-21-2010   #28
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Not saying Ran is totally in the clear here with the call out, but sounds like Mike should have at least returned a phone call and averted the whole situation.

Will you guys kiss and make up and then go boating for God's sake.
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Old 06-21-2010   #29
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This is better than television.
Uh, I'm just gonna go find a cash machine.
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Old 06-21-2010   #30
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This thread is an example of why so many people watch Jerry Springer. Me not included.

Karma is like this: If we set causes in motion the effects come back to us.
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