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Old 05-10-2013   #11
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When you don't own a cat, don't kayak, and you're running solo, what would you do?
Wait out another season on the sidelines and buy a cat is a boring answer!

I thought yanking his floor was innovative. Anyone else ever try that?

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Old 05-10-2013   #12
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I thought the video was great.Very instructional - i've got a small boat as well and have experienced the same sort of thing. one thing i'm learning is that you want to be more proactive in holding on to the boat to avoid getting washed out. I also noticed that holding on to the oar handle only works until they get pulled thru the oarlocks. maybe something like the posilockers would prevent this? All that said, the small boat ride is fun, hang on and go for the ride.

What no floor? I missed that but wondered why the water wasn't draining....

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Old 05-10-2013   #13
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Originally Posted by oarframe View Post
I also noticed that holding on to the oar handle only works until they get pulled thru the oarlocks. maybe something like the posilockers would prevent this?
I notice in the Lochsa Madness videos that a lot of cat boaters grab their seat when they're going for a ride.

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Old 05-10-2013   #14
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Small boat big ride. Way to get after it. I'm surprised you made any trips through the falls without flipping. That boat is the opposite of a choad.
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Old 05-10-2013   #15
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I'm with Shawn. I give you props Spider. Pushing your comfort level in a small boat, and then posting the vid for us to enjoy.

Orto, being a dick per usual. WTF is training if that isn't? I bet he learned more in those 6 days than he has since he started rowing.

Good shit spider. Keep up the good work, and focus on keeping up your momentum.
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Old 05-10-2013   #16
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Grab seat or seat bar or oar tower or front rail. When I was "learning" (still am of course) I would even practice closing my eyes and grabbing those things, just through little wave trains. It becomes second nature. Looks like you had fun, throw yourself into the big stuff, see what happens, learn more for next time.
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Old 05-10-2013   #17
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Originally Posted by Claytonious View Post
Square up to the waves, push through them, then get your weight downstream if you do get turned sideways.
This. In a kayak you can side-surf a diagonal wave or hole if you want to get to the middle and you aren't there, but in a little boat like this you've got to hit things square, even if it's not where you want to be. Momentum is much more important, often means starting on the side of the river where you don't want to be. Turn back to the middle after hitting the waves/holes square.

square up, then make progress to where you want to go on top of, between features. And hold that oar in the water to counter the water's push to turn you sideways and flip. So if you're getting spun left because you've got a little left angle relative to the diagonal, keep that left oar in and pushing.

SUPs and rafts are both much less agile than kayaks, so they have to play by different rules, more prep and momentum, less reaction and moves within the rapid. No side draws.
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Old 05-10-2013   #18
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I love it. Beat down and still posted the footage. Go big. It must be nice to flip on a deep river.
Do you have any flip ropes? Maybe you could have one ready so that you can climb up on your upside down raft and flip it over on the fly. Looks like you might have to have that option with that raft.
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Old 05-10-2013   #19
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Conversation held on the banks of the Arkansas river in 1976 between a guide who just flipped and a passerby who stopped to watch;

Passerby You OK? That was amazing!
Guide Ya, Ok, DAMN, thought we had it
Passerby So, why do you do this? Looks dangerous
Guide Well........because
Passerby But........why? That can't be fun, getting tossed out like that, in fact I bet it hurts like hell
Guide Nah, doesn't hurt, actually kind of refreshing
Passerby Really? Does your mom know what you're doing
Guide Know? Who do you think was in front!
Passerby Huh. So, what's it cost to do this
Guide Special deal for you $35 and beer, we're going again this afternoon
Passerby $35? much beer?
Guide For me, a six pack.
Guide See you this afternoon

Why do we do it?
Why, for fun, excitement, beer.

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Yes don't take my first comment too harshly, start by moving your oars stands back towards you where you can actually use the oars.

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