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Old 03-18-2008   #1
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LL Ronin versus Vision 56....

Hello all,

Just soliciting some feedback for those of you who have paddled a LL Ronin 59 AND a Vision 56 (Menges?). I currently have a Vision 56 and was wondering if there's any reason to upgrade to a newer boat (LL or other manufacturer). It seems like the designs may have hit a plateau in recent years and it all comes down to individual comfort and paddler ability regardless of the boat you are in.

Any feedback on whether the Ronin 59 (or other boat if you've paddled a Vision 56 as well) is vastly better than the Vision for Colorado's play features is appreciated. Just starting to think about the upcoming season and whether I need to start demoing some newer models.

Thanks in advance,


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Old 03-18-2008   #2
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The Ronin is good for loops, flat spins, and possibly creeking. Otherwise, I found the Vision much more fun to paddle. It bounced better, threw ends better, and moved around in holes like it has four wheel drive. The only like better is the Bigfoot just because it gets more air.


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I think you'll find the differences to be minimal honestly. Its probably going to be down to your own personal tastes more then anything. If you are happy with how your Vision paddles and don't have any major qualms, then i say keep it until something new really excites you. It wouldn't hurt to give the Ronin a try of course, but its not like a while back where each new year brought huge advances in looseness and bounceability.

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Old 03-19-2008   #4
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Thanks for the feedback...

Thanks for the feedback!

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