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Old 08-25-2014   #21
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Originally Posted by glenn View Post
Not all shops are equal. I stopped by from my local Bozeman shop over 2 years ago. I would just as easily purchase directly from LL as I would from CKS online or any number of others e-shops. I agree with all points KSC has.

WyoPadlr1... LL has a new boat coming out now. The stomper is only like 3 years old. Remix is a killer design. Jefe is fazed out. The last relevant freestyle boat they made was the space cadet. They've done just fine selling river runners and creekers. Saying they need newer designs while touting your love for the nomad is extra silly. Classic designs work, but they aren't sitting on their hands either.
I should have stated that I've actually been paddling a Stomper 90 for two seasons now.... I like it, but I don't really love it. The Nomad 8.5 was just too small at 78gal for my 195lbs + overnight gear, but I loved the way it handled in nearly everything else without extra gear. I've had good luck with some minor warranty issues on the Stomper (mine had the plastic seat retainer nuts and they sent me the new brass ones which are awesome). I'm all for new designs if they are truly better. I thought the Stomper would be more Remix and less Jefe and for me that turned out not to be the case. The Flying Squirrel could be the answer. Now, if LL is pulled from my local shop and only sells direct to customer, how do I get to demo one before I plunk down my $$ + $$ for shipping? I still won't buy another boat again without getting to demo it in the water it was meant for, ever. It's crazy to spend that kind of money on a boat without knowing how it handles for you and your own particular paddling style. Would you buy a car, truck, or motorcycle without taking it for a test drive? I put my boats in the same category.

So many rivers, so little time..........
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Old 08-26-2014   #22
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I would buy a replacement boat online that I have already paddled, but would not buy a boat I have not paddled online.

I'm no kayaking retail expert, but it seems like a lot of competitors in a small market and that not all manufacturers will survive in the long run.

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Old 09-10-2014   #23
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Shane Benedict posted a statement on his Blog today about this:
Shaneslogic a kayak blog: Liquidlogic Kayaks Selling Direct to Paddlers Beginning October 1st

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