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Old 06-12-2008   #21
caprishmael

Profile:  loveland, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1994
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For me, It's a raft! I like the feel of rowing as opposed to paddling. Getting your whole body into the motion, using your legs to propel the raft, nice. . You see more of your surroundings on a raft. Your ass is not in water all day long. Drinking is easier in a raft, as well as hauling a big frigging cooler. Cigars are better in a raft. You don't wear (usually) a cold, clammy, smelly dry top in a raft. Of course, kayaks are fun, it's just different. Kayaks are more about tricks, rafts are more about enjoying the journey.
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Old 06-12-2008   #22
caspermike

Profile:  Casper, Wyoming
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For me, It's a raft! I like the feel of rowing as opposed to paddling. Getting your whole body into the motion, using your legs to propel the raft, nice. . You see more of your surroundings on a raft. Your ass is not in water all day long. Drinking is easier in a raft, as well as hauling a big frigging cooler. Cigars are better in a raft. You don't wear (usually) a cold, clammy, smelly dry top in a raft. Of course, kayaks are fun, it's just different. Kayaks are more about tricks, rafts are more about enjoying the journey.

Put down the cigars how does being in a raft allow you to see more? i don't know hw many drops im throwing kickflips off of so kayaking isn't all about tricks.... its about being on the water and with your buds and enjoying the moment. and when in the hell is anybody judging your stinky ass drytops. we are all wearing them...
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Old 06-12-2008   #23
RRHB

Profile:  scottsdale, Arizona
Paddling Since: 1979
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When I'm in a raft they are the best and I look for elitist kayakers to run over, when I'm in a kayak I hate those working class slobs pushing rubber!!
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Old 06-12-2008   #24
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In a raft you get to carry the groover!
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Old 06-12-2008   #25
caprishmael

Profile:  loveland, Colorado
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Put down the cigars how does being in a raft allow you to see more? i don't know hw many drops im throwing kickflips off of so kayaking isn't all about tricks.... its about being on the water and with your buds and enjoying the moment. and when in the hell is anybody judging your stinky ass drytops. we are all wearing them...
OOOHHH!!!! OUCH!!!! Touched a nerve, did I? Sorry about that! Where do I start?

1. You can take my cigars when you pry them from my cold, dead lips.

2. You see more from the a) the higher vantage point offered by a raft (simple physics, y'know) and b) Yaks require that you pay more attention to the water in the immediate vicinity of your boat at the expense of the greater surroundings. Just the nature of the beast.

3. Nobody is judging you on the basis of your stinky ass drytops, I'm just stating the facts, ma'am, just the facts.

I didn't really intend to do a contentious posting, but hey, this is kind of fun! Anybody else want to play?
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Old 06-12-2008   #26
caspermike

Profile:  Casper, Wyoming
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OOOHHH!!!! OUCH!!!! Touched a nerve, did I? Sorry about that! Where do I start?

1. You can take my cigars when you pry them from my cold, dead lips.

2. You see more from the a) the higher vantage point offered by a raft (simple physics, y'know) and b) Yaks require that you pay more attention to the water in the immediate vicinity of your boat at the expense of the greater surroundings. Just the nature of the beast.

3. Nobody is judging you on the basis of your stinky ass drytops, I'm just stating the facts, ma'am, just the facts.

I didn't really intend to do a contentious posting, but hey, this is kind of fun! Anybody else want to play?
I figured you were only talking about the point of view.. just giving you shit is that swisher you are smoking? hopefully not.
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Old 06-13-2008   #27
Geoff773

Profile:  Denver, Colorado
Paddling Since: 02
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I hated those kayakers when I was guiding. They looked like they had all the fun and when they were tired they drank beer on your boat. Bullshit!! If you can't beat them.... I picked up a kayak last year and with any luck i'll have a solid roll before I drown.
The biggest factor is probably the cost. Like somebody already said 5K for a raft (used) is getting off easy. The raft is the cheap part then throw in sticks, frame, cooler, dry bags, boxes, tables, chairs, tarps, kitchen, groover, fire pan....you get the idea. I say if you can swing the raft get that first. The kayakers need you and will gladly swap rowing duties with you when you lock the beer cooler. If you can't swing that cost then get the kayak and get on the water. You'll meet the people who have the raft and you can swap with them. Do me a favor and don't leave them with the full groover at the end of the trip. probably the best way to never have raft support again.
Oh yea, the midway option. A Cat is usually a little cheaper and the frames usually come with the boxes. Still pricey but I think I picked mine (Sotar 14') up for under 5K with Sawyer sticks.
ORRRr. Quit your job. Become a river guide. Learn the sport of alcoholism for free. Get a tan. Get a chick a week. Get a Pro Deal for all your gear. Not necessarily in that order.
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Old 06-13-2008   #28
RiverGirl84

Profile:  Durango, Colorado
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Rafting and kayaking BOTH have their benefits. Want to take your friends on a drunken booze cruise? Rafting. A trip longer than a day or two? Rafting. But you want to hit the river after work, definitely kayaking. Why must we separate (not to sound too cheesy) but seriously. We all love the river. It's an awesome natural influence that unites us together. Again, trying not to be too cheesy.
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Old 06-13-2008   #29
RiverGirl84

Profile:  Durango, Colorado
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ORRRr. Quit your job. Become a river guide. Learn the sport of alcoholism for free. Get a tan. Get a chick a week. Get a Pro Deal for all your gear. Not necessarily in that order.
P.S. Being a raft guide is the s**t. Nice tan, booze, and ultimately good friends, stories, and good times. But as far as a chick a week, that's only if you are staying on her couch. We spend all our money on pro deals, not rent
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Old 06-13-2008   #30
the_dude

Profile:  the fort, Colorado
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my raft is for fishing. my kayak is for whitewater. pretty simple.
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