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Old 10-10-2012   #11
Glen Vegas, Florida
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Wasn't the IR plaid a Jackson design as well? And Cripps, last time I checked you were paddling a Nomad, which is as leaky as it gets.

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Old 10-10-2012   #12
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It sounds like Jackson helped make a suit that is meant for playboating. For serious creeking and bushwacking, there is also a special edition with full cordura legs.

It's a lot easier on the eyes:

PS - I'm super jealous that Paul Kuthe got one of these with the Lichen colored top. It looks awesome.

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Old 10-10-2012   #13
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Are the using the Tzip similar to the IR dry suit?
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Old 10-10-2012   #14
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That is what it looks like, I like that the TiZip is easier to zip, but I like the durability of the metal YKK zipper more...
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Old 10-10-2012   #15
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If you get a flat tire or break down on the highway, you are sure to be safe wearing your CDOT certified drysuit. Safety first!
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Old 10-11-2012   #16
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Kokatat = the bomb. New colors...? Great. Change is the necessity of life. When it comes to performance and staying dry, no other compares.

Like Baer...loving me some Kokatat!!!
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Old 10-11-2012   #17
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I do not have a Dry suit but I am looking into getting one and of course Kokatat is a company I plan on going with but I am having a hard time figuring out how the zipper bumper lets water in the boat. Do the dry suits you guys mention not have a tunnel flap for your stray skirt? I Don't want to spend a lot of money on a dry suit if its going to let water into the boat I have Dry pants and a dry top now it lets no water in but I do get a little wet around the waist (which sucks in cold water boating).
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Old 10-11-2012   #18
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The suits come with an overflap that places the tunnel of your skirt into a tunnel of its own, kind of like 1 finger from one hand between 2 fingers from the other hand. It's very dry. Even when water does get in the boat, from things like scouting, a bad skirt or owning a Dagger, it doesn't matter at all - you can't feel it in your pajamas.
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Old 10-11-2012   #19
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Yes, I was more than a little embarrassed to even admit to considering fashion with respect to my kayaking attire, but that thing is more than construction cone orange, it's nuclear fallout radiated construction cone orange. I do acknowledge Campbell's point about it doing double duty.

Anyway, I'm much relieved that it can be ordered in any color. What the concern about the plastic zipper - that it's not as durable as the metal one? Guess I'll put my faith in Kokatat's bomber warranty policy.

In terms of it letting in water, yes obviously it's not that big of a deal, but some of us are anal. A gallon of water is like 8 1/2 pounds or something, right? And I hate the feeling of water sloshing around my feet. It's a personal problem.

To answer the question above, lots of people have theorized that the zipper creates a gap in the skirt that allows water to come in when you're being frequently submerged. Yes, there's a tunnel on GMER suits, but if you're constantly going deep through holes, you're going to get water pressure trying to push water through the tunnel. As I said, I became convinced that it was very significant after doing back to back to runs, one with a drysuit and one with a drytop and watching gallons of water pour out of my boat from the drysuit run and almost nothing after the drytop run.

Yeah Paul, the Nomad is exactly why I have to minimize all other boat leakage, else I might just sink.
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Old 10-11-2012   #20
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Its the same zip as the IR. I haven't had any problems with it.

As for the colors Kevin, I've heard the bright flashy attracts the cougars...ala Josh's mom

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