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Old 08-26-2011   #11
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[QUOTE=okieboater;247044]My reasoning is if I run over really sharp rocks, the soft tubes will tend to deform a bit and reduce the puncture factor. QUOTE]

"Sharp" rocks get a better hold on softer material and really rip shit up big time once damage accurs. Its amost an all or nothing thing. The deformation creates a depression that gives the rock what it needs to do its job. I have wittnesed this first hand and have pics, at home. Not to say that the same situation would not have damaged the tube if it were tight. But my experiences says. If your gona hit a sharp rock all tough like, i'd rather be a 2psi than 1psi.

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Old 08-26-2011   #12
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I think it all depends on what each rafter thinks is "soft" for the conditions.

anyway, good Thread to get all the opinions out for review.

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Old 08-26-2011   #13
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Soft might be good in a raft, but I like my cat rock hard.
A soft cat is sluggish and spins slower.
When I'm dodging or straddling rocks I want quick and accurate.
Also when I pick my boat up its easier if its firm.
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Old 08-26-2011   #14
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I've also heard that applying 303 to the bottom keeps the material slick; less likely to hang up on the sharp stuff and more likely to slip over the shallow gravel bars, etc. Anyone who's tried to sit on a freshly 303'd tube knows what's up.

I haven't thought about hard vs soft - interesting discussion.
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Old 08-26-2011   #15
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"keep your tube soft"

Really........? Gannon I can't beleive you have not responded with a..... "that's what she said...... ouch"
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Old 08-26-2011   #16
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Personally, I like my tubes milky. Oh, wait, you guys are talking about rafts
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Old 08-26-2011   #17
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Originally Posted by Wadeinthewater View Post
Hard tubes stick. Soft tubes slither
Bingo. I always run my Cat tubes a little soft on late season, low water Middle Fork trips. At first I thought my rafting partner was crazy for wanting me to do this, but he has about 15+ years of MF experience, and he was right. Soft tubes slime (or slither) over the rocks, firm tubes get stuck more often. How soft is soft......that's a personal call. I prefer medium soft on my Cat.
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Old 08-26-2011   #18
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Tight tubes on a cat respond quicker in my world. To each their own.
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Good thread! I had the good fortune to run Steven's Gulch down with a commercial crew of 7 fatties two days ago at 1.6 on the guage. I got way stuck at the entrance to Ginsu Corner, (above Tunnel) and let some air out. Came right off! Then, because I'm a shitty raft guide, I got stuck again in Tunnel, and let some more air out. Came right off again! So, take three, stuck again (these were very fat people) at the Ding Dong set up and just took one more little toot out of the floor. Suddenly I was getting stuck everywhere and had to repump the floor.

What I learned is that slightly floppy is good, too floppy is way more sticky. It's like a delicate little dance, man.

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I'd be worried on a cat about having the frame/gear snag on a raised rock if you cant manuever around it because water is so low. Keep your weight on the boat light enough so this cant happen

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