Originally Posted by jahmon77
Alright, I want to get a kayak...I weigh between 158-165, height is 5'7"...I do a lot of rafting and want something to learn on and small enough to take with...I'm interested in a used boat or a great deal....I really like the feel and fit of the project 52...What kayaks are similar to this that I may get a better deal on new or used ??? Same or close fits ??? I'm mainly interested in a playboat both for size and fun...any help would be greatly appreciated...thank you....
I think it's amusing that so many folks are giving advice on what boat you need, but really you didn't give enough information to make that decision for you.
You currently raft...OK: do you raft big water?
If so, then the advice to get a big creeker might not be the best advice. Some of those "crappy" boats described would actually be better in big water than the creek boats which could be pushed around. A boat like the old Pirouette S is a great boat for rivers like the Colorado. Sure, the GT would also be great, maybe better. And the Animas was a big old boy that gets poo pooed, but you know, you can store gear in it...
so do you think you would like to overnight in your boat?
Do you want to creek?
Do you just want to raft and stop and play?
Guys who love to park and play will tell you get a little spud boat and learn there, but personally I like to run rivers, I like to paddle rivers for the same reason I like to mountain bike and ski: I like the changing terrain. I would get bored sitting in the same hole for hours. So you have to think about why you get on the river in the first place and get a boat that complements that drive.
I've paddled a few boats ranging from open canoes, C1s, XXX, Medieval, Y, X, Jive, Gliss, Pirouette, and every boat had it's good and bad sides.
I started in a Pirouette and loved it, then I "outgrew it" and got a smaller play boat only to find that it wasn't enough, I needed more volume for safety so I could run harder water, so I got a Jive, but then I wanted something I could run AND play so I got the Medieval, and before long I had a GREAT QUIVER of boats to choose from.
And you know, there is something to be said about a little thing no one mentioned: safety. Some of the bigger boats are going to be safer, but I've been told by great paddlers that some creek boats make really hard water fairly easy, and mediocre paddlers can get themselves in over their heads 'cause the boat gave them an artificially high estimation of their skills.