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Old 05-01-2012   #31
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beer rescue

Originally Posted by whip View Post
Really about all plastic maggots are good for is rescuing beer from the eddyline after a flip. Oh wait they're really good at drinking them after that
It's better when you throw them out there for us kayakers to rescue one at a time. Less work, more surf.

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Old 05-02-2012   #32
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Always good to shout out "beer in the air" so you don't hit them in the head with your toss

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it "guaranteed", I will. I got spare time.
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Old 05-02-2012   #33
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Have done two GC trips kayakers are valualbe, and not useless we can help rig your raft, save your shit and be of an entertainment value, anyway have fun its a great trip can't wait to take my next one
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Old 05-02-2012   #34
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As a kayaker graciously invited on a GC trip a few years back, the joke was that the yak-trash would be upstream surfing just when they were needed. In reality, the two kayaks would run first on anything class 6 and up (Desert scale 1-10) and then wait in the wash-out eddy below. Something to remember is that the GC water is REALLY COLD! And, obviously, big. A swimmer could be in the water a long time before making it to shore on their own. We did pull three people out (one injured) and chased, and secured, the flipped raft.

It's a good precaution to take a kayak or two, if you have room. Look for someone with a larger volume river running boat, not a low volume playboat. And make sure your kayakers have a really solid roll, or you will be saving them, not the other way around.

Kayakers are just like rafters; some good, some not. Make it clear ahead of time that you expect them to run safety, and tell them that if it wasn't for you, they would be sitting on the couch at home, waiting for their unemployment check; so you expect them to bust their sorry a$$e$ hauling gear, cooking, and breaking down the groover, just like everybody else!
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Old 05-02-2012   #35
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Someone good in a tandem Ducky can be pretty useful too. The kayaker may be able to drag the swimmer to safety or chase down a raft or collect gear. But the ducky can pick up the swimmer AND chase down the raft and collect gear and have somewhere to put it. Good boaters come in all kinds of craft.
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Old 05-02-2012   #36
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Originally Posted by treehugger View Post
Good boaters come in all kinds of craft.
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
Nothing in the world is more yielding and gentle than water. Yet it has no equal for conquering the resistant and tough. The flexible can overcome the unbending; the soft can overcome the hard. - Lao Tse
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Old 05-02-2012   #37
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Chicken dinner.
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Old 05-02-2012   #38
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Skilz and Group Dynamics...

Once you find a couple yakers you know are solid and rescue-savvy, also make sure they'll jive with your group and your trip philosophy: do you plan on getting on the river by 8 and doing lots of cool hikes-or are you planning on partying hard, getting on the river late and not hiking- somewhere in-between?

On the high stakes days with rapids you plan to scout, pow-wow w/your group in the morning, set running order, discuss safety...and ask that the kayakers are in position downstream prior to the rafts running. Sure, an unwary/wasted/unskilled rafter can flip in a lot of places down there, but some rapids more so than others. If your group's experience is weak, run a fairly tight order so you can help each other out if needed.

If you have more than 4 rafts or so, run the tougher drops in pods-so if the shit does hit the fan, the yakers have time to deal with it and/or rafters can help themselves.

Make your expectations clear from the beginning- if you want yakers and any non-rowers to help derig at the end of the day, let your peeps know- it's all about communication and being up front from the get go.

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