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Old 04-30-2004   #11
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a little more detail?

What are the details surrouding these tragic deaths? Boat models, pinning orientation, etc? Just saying that a pillar was responsible for two deaths is not enough information for anyone to form an opinion (IMHO). I am sorry to hear of you unfortunate experiences.

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Old 04-30-2004   #12
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Sorry to not give to many details it is something that has affected me in many ways. Don't like to talk about it much. And I do not want to "bash" boats, almost all the boats out there are good, but being in those situations if the guys could have twisted out of there boats they might be alive today. But accidents are accidents and some times there is nothing or any boat could have changed the out come. What I saw made me think. One was a PHAT an accident in Oregon. The other was a CFS in Austria, Brandenberger I think that is how you spell it. Any way the phat was a semi vertical pin more like a 30 degree and the bow bent just past the knees and the beam went over on his right thigh. 4 foot drop, or so and he fell off to the right an was head down. Took a till dark to get the boat out. He was still in the boat, beam over leg. The accident in Austria we came up on it a few min after he was pinned. This was a straight side ways pin against a log he tried to jump that shoud be portaged. While he was head up he yelled that the boat was folded around his foot. In My broken German. We helped for the afternoon trying to get to him. Once more help arrived we were able to free the boat and he was most definatly stuck by the beam. This is just a personal experince but it really made me think of what boat I want to use when running harder water. I hope this helps and I am sorry sometimes I can get very opinionated (is that a word??? ) after all this.
Once again be safe

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