jonny water, I think you read into my posts wrong. All sarcasm my friend. TheKid is a good friend and all we do is poke at each other, in person, on this site, etc. I wave to him with a middle finger. Confluence has always been a hot debate for bad water, and that is why we metioned it. Personally, I have always put trust in Don from C.K., he paddles it (a lot), and has never had a problem. If it makes you feel better, I did not have a belly ache, and I paddle Union 15 to 20 times a year. Sorry you did not see it as a joke. Both of them.