Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-16-2007   #1
Boulder, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2007
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 15
I couldn't watch any longer

Is this common? Have other people seen this and maybe I'm just too new to the sport?

Last weekend I was with a group that floated Ruby Horsethief. It was an amazing trip. However there was a group behind us in two canoe's and an inflatable Coleman Raft. They didn't look like they knew what they were doing because one of the canoes flipped in a benign ripple on the river. The part that disgusted me is they had a golden retriever with them that they forced to swim the entire run (30 miles).

I am not kidding when I say that I saw them at the put in, then through out the day, and the following day, forcing the dog to swim beside them. The dog had no life jacket, and was whimpering the whole time. He would swim to shore every now and then, but the owners would keep going so the dog would have to jump in the river again.

I saw the dog keep trying to get into the canoe, and the owners took there paddle and splashed water at it to get it away.

Watching it almost ruined my trip. I was going to intervene or do something, but what can you do! This isn't normal right? Have you seen things like this on the river?

chriswalter8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #2
erdvm1's Avatar
Lyons, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1998
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,565
Send a message via AIM to erdvm1
Not Normal!
Sounds like animal cruelty. IMO.
No one will speak up for animals unless we do.
If you address the issue with the people directly and get an unacceptable answer then.....
When you get off the river call the police .......Plain and simple

Go Dawgs!!!
Happiness is a way of travel not a destination
erdvm1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #3
Gypsum, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2005
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 221
I second, third, and fourth that!
Its just wrong!
stumpster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #4
BastrdSonOfElvis's Avatar
Thought-criminal, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2000
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 989
yeah, intervene with a swift kick in the ass.

That's just Fd up. I would have taken that dog. Let him ride in your raft until the take out and then give him to the cops, let them sort it out. Or straight up give them the bum's rush.

I can just hear some white trash shitbag's reply now: "Labs were bred to swim."

People suck. And it sucks that it ruined your trip.
I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, vicious people, because I bet a lot of high schools would pick "Americans" as their mascot. -Jack Handy
BastrdSonOfElvis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #5
Loveland, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2002
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 118
That is definitely f**ked up. Some friends and I did a trip on Ruby with 4 adults and three dogs in a 14 ft raft. One of the dogs was frickin' wired for sound and could not relax. We let him jump out and swim for about a mile which completely tuckered him and made him much more enjoyable for the rest of the trip. This was a dog that swims constantly and is very fit and he was toast after 15-20 mins of swimming (with the current). I can't imagine forcing a dog to swim the entire distance.
Paul B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #6
lhowemt's Avatar
at my house, Montana
Paddling Since: 2020
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,346
Some people deserve to suffer

I would strongly urge to you take action. We have 4 dogs (2 labs, 2 goldens), and other "retriever" people always snicker when we talk about our dogs PFD's. They also snicker when I talk about how I've taught the dogs to stay in the boat, they aren't allowed to jump out willy nilly. Just because they can swim doesn't mean they know what they are getting themselves into.

The difficult thing is that they would not have been receptive to any agressive action, but too bad. I would have taken the dog and let the people know that they can have the dog back when they get out and swim the whole way themselves. I can swim too, doesn't mean I am going to swim the whole way, or even run along the shore. Ever try to keep up with a boat along the shore? Try rock piles, debris, trees, any rattlesnakes in the area?

If they are abandoning their dog by refusing to provide it with safe passage, I think you are totally justified in taking it into your boat. I'd then book down river so they can't keep up and keep the dog. All goldens want is to be with their people, actually they are happy with anyone who will love them.
lhowemt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #7
ski_kayak365's Avatar
Mountains on the river!!!, Idaho
Paddling Since: 2002
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 702

That whole area is under BLM protection land. Contact the BLM personal and give a full description of what they looked like, gear, anything that could be useful. If they were in a Colman raft and couldn't canoe well, more likely they were from the area and could do it again. Rangers patrol that section regularly and perhaps even saw and handled them. Anything that could be useful, give to the authorities. That is Animal Cruelty!!

The Field Office in Grand Junction is:

Please call them and give that information!!

-Mesa State College Outdoor Program and Whitewater West rents canoe's for the Grand Junction area, could check with them to see if any canoes were rented out, leave that for the BLM, but let them know about the two places-
ski_kayak365 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #8
Spits Hot Fire
N. Cascades, Washington
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 978
Ouch, thats frustrating stuff to hear. Definitely not normal. I can imagine all the other dog people on here feel the same way. Yeah, shoulda just taken the poor guy into your boat and called out his owners for being dipshits. Unless they were bigger than you.

If the owners are reading this, you are a dipshit(s).

<------BSOE, See this lab? He was bred to swim and carry the biggest logs he can find. But dont let his white trash, nascar name fool you(or his Darth Lab costume). He's never been allowed to just swim next to the raft or my kayak. Dogs dont know the safety swimmer, downriver feet first position. I'd think they could easily entrap a paw or something in shallow places.

Poor dog.
Your opinion doesn't matter when you're already biased.
FLOWTORCH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #9
Boulder, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2007
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 15
Thanks for the responses. I will call the rangers today at lunch. Thankfully I know they are from Denver and rented their canoes from Rim Rock Adventures. With a little description, they should be able to nail them.

And yes, they were much much bigger than me and drunk and 4 of them, so I didn't feel ready to take on all of that on the middle of the river.

I was thinking about trying to pick up the dog with out them noticing, but I couldn't get close enough to him on the sly.

I'll let you know if anything comes of it.
chriswalter8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2007   #10
KVBA TV8 Vail weatherman/Colorado Kayaker, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1992
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 847
Send a message via MSN to hobie
I wish I would have been there.
Take the dog and regulate the assholes if they said a word otherwise. Sounds like they had no water skills to catch you. Imagine the life that poor pooch must lead off the river if they are that blind to what they are doing.


hobie is offline   Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Topic Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Boaterx race, is it pretty easy to get a spot to watch? gh Whitewater Kayaking 1 06-11-2006 05:32 PM
Winter Storm Watch in effect! A vigorous storm is expected kayaker Whitewater Kayaking 0 10-08-2005 05:41 PM
Flash Flood Watch jonny water Whitewater Kayaking 9 08-04-2005 02:37 PM
lost -- Nike watch @ #'s t/o matts Lost & Found 0 07-17-2005 02:12 AM
Lost Watch On Sat June 11 Paddle w/ Pros in Lawson paddlebizzle Whitewater Kayaking 0 06-14-2005 04:22 PM

» Classified Ads
Used Pyranha 9R...

posted by Rendezvous River Sports


Jackson Superstar

posted by Gary Rempe

Beautiful boat with awesome performance. Very lightly used...

2 Stohlquist Rocker PFDs

posted by ErikH

Stohlquist Rocker type III PFDs, both size XXL. Looking for...

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:28 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.