Originally Posted by RiverWrangler
I don't think anyone should own the river and I feel like access should be legal so I wouldn't feel morally wrong crossing this property
Thats great Evan, but I doubt these landowners care much what you "think" and "feel". Bottom line, it's their property, and if they want to block it off, then it's their perogative.
As a boater I agree 100% with everything that is done is order to secure access, BUT.....I think we as boaters have overstepped our lines as far as river access is concerned. Not specifically on Pandora's itself, but many places elsewhere. We've been granted access through private stretches before, and I think that is going to our heads now, and we're essentially demanding access to places now, "well you have to give us access because its everyones river, therefore everyone should be able to access it". I really hate to be the negative nancy here, but private property means PRIVATE property. And no, I don't want to hear any "you cant OWN property, man" or "well thats for the courts to decide". If it's private, then then why should we as kayakers feel the need to violate that at every chance? Falls Creek into the Snake......you know how many people run that falls and just say fuck you to the locals? How about Brazos? "Oh they dont see us, so it doesnt count". No.
Like I said, I really don't want to be a naysayer, but I think we as kayakers are getting too comfortable in our private property bashing madness. I agree with the right to float, as long as you don't touch anything, but if a run requires you to cross private property before accessing, unless its written, or face to face verbal confirmation has been given, then we need to step back and evaluate. We're only going to hurt ourselves here! When kayakers start to get a negative reputation for breaking private property in order to access runs (which.....I think we already do, but thats my opinion....) then Pandora's wont be the only run we're facing closure on.
If you want proof, look at Bluegrass Creek. There used to be a friendly pass through the private property, and people took too much advantage of it. And now it's fucked for everyone. Willow Creek? Local crews couldn't just come and go quietly, no, we have to make a party out of every time we launch or load. Result= no more access. Bailey? If people don't stop trashing and shitting and pissing on every inch of ground at the portage, then it's a matter of time until we get shut out there. It's great that some people are cool about it like the people on Lake Creek, but I think we are becoming TOO accustomed to that kind of response, and sooner or later someone is going to get sick of it and we're going to start losing more runs than just Pandora's.
Breaking private property once or twice is probably ok, but when you start to get complacent and just expect it to work everywhere the same way it does in one place, then it will blow up in your face, and the result will hurt us all.