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Old 08-12-2008   #21
4CRS, Durango, Colorado
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Not to diminish the difficulty here, and comparing one river to another is very difficult, but in general Valle is fairly sieve free. Yes, there is one on the left midway through Trash Can, I believe that this is most likely where Adam ended up. In general though the lines are very clean. I lived and paddled in Ft. Collins for 5 years and I ran the Big South quite a bit, I think Meltdown is a POS rapid, Logs constantly congregate in it, its shallow at most flows, sharp rock, and strainers...Sweet. I did not run any of the big 4 on the BS this year when I went back, I was'nt feeling it. Escape from the BS is much more managable but the wood situation in the BS is much scarier than any hazard on Valle. Maybe I am jaded, BS is a local run for me and watching the FC boys route down BS I am pretty sure that knowing a run makes all the difference, and thanks to 'em for getting us DGO boys down in one piece, but personally the big 4 on the BS and the random log placements are more dangerous than anything on Valle IMO.

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Old 08-12-2008   #22
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Originally Posted by TonyM View Post
Not to diminish the difficulty here, and comparing one river to another is very difficult, but in general Valle is fairly sieve free. Yes, there is one on the left midway through Trash Can, I believe that this is most likely where Adam ended up. In general though the lines are very clean.
No offense, but if you don't think there are many sieves in Vallecito besides Trash Can, you need to look harder. That thing is full of them - especially in Paddle Bitch (the whole right bank is lined with sieves) and No Way Out. There are plenty more, too - most along the edges but some right in the middle near the lines.

It's a world class run and some of the finest whitewater anywhere, but it's also a dangerous place that is not to be taken lightly - not only locations that have been a problem in the past, but in plenty of other spots in there too.


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Old 08-13-2008   #23
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For someone looking to step up to V+ do Lake right now it is way easier and much different from a vallecito...

Well it is hard to say that Lake is V+ below 3'.. Lake gets pretty easy at these flows and it will give you some or kinda a idea of what V+ is like without the gnar factor she or either of these runs has at higher flows..

Lake is kinda a no worries run at this level and IMO when Vallecito is runnin it is never a no worries type of run..

I guess I should not talk too much shit about Lake... She bit me and ended my season the other day when I was up there on the last day above 3'... 3.3 to be exact.. It was still a great run with the durango boys!!
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Old 08-13-2008   #24
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ok, now i'm confused, the seive half way through trash can?

thought it was between the rocks on the right?

its definitely a step up from most of the class v in colorado, and i'm not saying the following to diminish the warnings above, but, you actually can scout most of the rapids, and its possible to walk around some of them like paddle bitch (but not entrance, trash-can, no way out).
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Old 08-13-2008   #25
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I recomended Lake because of the consequence of the rapids, and the skill I believe I needed in paddling both. I ran down the front range runs I've done, and it was the closest I came up with, without a gorge, and the ability to scout and set safety.

Most of the other comprable runs I can come up with are near durango or creed.

Red neck, injured or equipement damage taking you out for the season?

The idea of the list is cool. The list would require alot of upkeep and would be very lengthy. A bit of an administrative nightmare I would guess. I personally would like the list beacause It would give me something other than the CCR to target as a wish list.
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Old 08-13-2008   #26
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what's near creed? treasure?

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