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Old 11-29-2012   #11
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Originally Posted by Hanspeter View Post
I was once running with Ed Gooch back in the 70's, when he spoke of Grand trips he had done prior to the Glen Canyon Dam. At 150,000 he said it was possible to touch the ceiling in the Cavern. Deer Creek Falls poured directly into the Colorado. There were whirlpools some 20 feet deep which contained whole dead cows. Ed was one of the original founders of OARS Inc.
I am so glad you wrote about this, I learned something new about Ed, my father, today. Thanks!

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Old 11-29-2012   #12
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History 101

PLEASE, continue typing your thoughts. They are so storied plus historic to boot!! Hope I get to join the "swim team" soon!!

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Old 11-30-2012   #13
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Hi K, WOW! Thank you SO MUCH for posting! I'd be very interested to look at a copy of your grandfather's logs. Is that possible? Please e-mail me direct at
Thanks again, yours, tom
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Old 12-02-2012   #14
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Originally Posted by Hanspeter View Post
Tom: you are right, so I must have had a memory lapse. I found this thread talking about the 1957 trip with Georgie at 125,000 cfs. Sadly Ed is no longer with us. Great guy, who once took me to the Indian rain dances where dancers held live rattle snakes in their mouths. It rained! hanspeter
Heck, if thats all it's gonna take
Then you bring the snakes and I will bring the tunes, the beer and a disco ball!
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Old 12-02-2012   #15
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July 1983 I motored my boat along the back wall in Redwall cavern, I stuck my fishing pole in the water and hit the floor at 4 feet. I have photos of my boat up in the mouth of Matcat a ways and pics of my boat at the base of Deer Creek. The pic of Redwall is in my Buzz Album but I will look for the others and post them. The Park service sandbagged us a message the morning before we made Redwall and said the Water would Reach 95,000 csf. We also received a note at Unkar that said it could reach 100,000 csf. It was A Crazy,Scary, Fun year in the Ditch in 1983

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