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Old 04-20-2011   #1
Boone, North Carolina
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Help with my double pump please

Alright so i haven't been paddling long at all but live near the watauga river in north carolina and the water has been so low that i dont get to go very often, here recently i've been spending leisure time in the flatwater trying to learn little tricks and i can't seem to get the double pump. im using my ronin 49 and i feel like i have the stroke down but to double pump into a bow stall the stern of my boat gets about a foot from being perpendicular to the water and i then i go under and roll back up and try it again.....any advice?

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Old 04-20-2011   #2
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I am constantly trying to get this down so i can cartwheel but never seem to get it...
I have gotten some good advice that has helped with process though...

Stay centered over your cockpit-don't lean into the double pump side-that will make u flip over-

If you get into a pool u can try to do it on the side if the pool (sans paddle, of course) this was most helpful recently...once I didn't have to worry about staying up, I was able to get a better feel of what the hip rotation and upper body should feel like...the lower body needs to swivel/rotate around the upper...I think. I've had a tendency to move my upper body too much...
I welcome any feedback on any or all of this that I have written erroneously!!!

Like I said I have always had trouble with this too-

Good luck.

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Old 04-20-2011   #3
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Lift your feet high out of the water on first pump slam them down underneath your body best way to do this is get forward in your kayak. Keep the knife angle Sharp so your kayak will cut the water like a knife.. if you try standing up it will end up pulling your kayak forward and you land on your head. Of you push your ass out a little more, so it feels like your core stays in constant tension. You will find its the natural position for bow stalls you should be tucked up into that knee for the throw down. Rember stand up pulls you over on to your head.. sticking butt out will sit you back down flat...the key is inbetween.. my guess is you are slighty standing up in your kayak.. good luck
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Old 04-20-2011   #4
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Put your paddle flat on the surface of the water before you throw your bow down and then keep it there until (and even after) you are vertical. This will force you to use your torso and it will keep you from standing up and falling face first.
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Old 04-20-2011   #5
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If you're getting a foot short of vertical you may just need to 'look it around'
Don't think about stopping it at vertical and stalling it. You're probably a ways off from actually doing a bow stall.

By looking it around. I mean as soon as your bow's down you should be winding up your torso and looking around (looking up, at that point) and getting ready to put in your next stroke. think about looking so far around that you want to see the water on the other side of you boat.

Hope that makes sense.
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Old 04-20-2011   #6
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Most of it comes with constant practice. As said above, pull the bow up high. Do this while having less angle then as you bring it down add more angle. Do not try to stand up! Really get both blades in the water and use only torso rotation. Think about bringing your lower body underneath you as your upper body remains stationary. You have more power in your core than your arms. Also before you bow stall look over your shoulder and continue into a cartwheel. this will help with balancing on your ends.
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Old 04-20-2011   #7
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It took me a long time to get this. I found for me the hard part was the first stroke (the forward one) and concentrated way too much on the second. If you have some pics or video your stumbling block may be easier to find.
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Old 04-20-2011   #8
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I find it's better to think about shoving everything down into the water rather than pulling my body and boat up. Once you've got it down it takes very little strength, so try to make the motions smooth, slow, and easy.
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Old 04-20-2011   #9
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Wow..thanks guys, that's alot of helpfull info... I don't have any video but I think I may be substituting more backstroke for torso movement.. Pumped to try it again. Keep the advice coming

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