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Old 05-03-2010   #531
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Originally Posted by robanna View Post

Isn't there a way to get the Governor involved (not sure what that would do).

A sit-down has proven to be a worthless endeavor (see: Unstoppable V Immovable).
There is a way the governor can get involved - he could refer specific questions of law to the State Supreme Court for a ruling of law as to the scope of the right to float as provided by the State Constitution. There are a lot of educated folks pushing for that, but their requests are falling on deaf ears.

In the televised roundtable on PBS a few weeks back, Prof. Mark Squillace from CU law school suggested just that, and the folks on the other side of the table bristled at the suggestion. It's doubtful that the governor would refer the question unless both sides agreed to it, and we know that ain't gonna happen in this lifetime.

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Along Came a Texan ... Stealing Rivers in Colorado (opinion piece)

Posted on CounterPunch by Phillip Doe

Phillip Doe: Stealing Rivers in Colorado

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Old 05-07-2010   #533
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The issue isn't about Texans or Texas, it's about rights and the right to float

The issue is about rights, not where someone is from. So those morons out there using that as the freface for their debate should really stop it. It makes you sound a little backwards and uneducated.

I live in Texas. Am I a Texan, no. I'm from Colorado. There is a mentality across the entire USA by property owners that they own everything in their little defined plot of land, including the waterways that may flow through it.

I am sure some of you remember the moron that lived along the South Fork of the South Platte right before the confluence at the mouth of Waterton Canyon. Remermber his antics with a shotgun and threatening kayakers, because "he owned" that part of the river. How about the folks at the Sportsman's Paradise Club? A big pack of jerks to put it mildly.

On the flipside, I can understand some of their concerns when it comes to commercial operations on the waterways. There are bad apples out there who make all of us, be it commercial or private, look bad. It only takes one incident to ruin an image.

The stalling of this bill by any politician is of great concern. This issues needs to be legislated and dealt with, not stalled and delayed. Vote out the bastards who won't effectively resolve it.

Better yet, make it a ballot initiative, let the people of the state decide it. I think you might be surprised how many people in Colorado will support the right to float, for anyone.

Here in Texas, the same issues exist as in Colorado. But, they have settled most of these issues by codifying through law and rules. There are a couple rivers here where the landowners have riparian rights, meaning they own the land under the water in the river. They don't own the water flowing through it.

In Texas, you can portage, tresspass if you determine that you must in order to preserve life and limb, and float through it. You will still get irrate landowners with guns and calling the cops, but legally, they have no case. You can let them bully you or not. I prefer not to be bullied.

It all comes back to getting it codified into law. Depending on politicians doing it will get you nowhere fast.

Lastly, the days of Colorado being just for Coloradoans is way over. Get over it, get used to having tourists, they pay the bills in most of the small mountain towns. Many of you would not have jobs if it were not for tourists.
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But the issue is currently intertwine with A Texan. I don't think anyone said it was about Texans as a whole, just this one in particular.
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Old 05-08-2010   #535
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If there is one common thread to these issues it's that the landowner trying to close a river is almost always from somewhere else, this time it happens to be Texas, last time it was Conneticut, time before that, Massachusets.
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How many signatures are required to get something on the state ballot? I believe it's high time for this option.
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Four pro right-to-float ballot initiatives are in the works. 20 on the other side.
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It take 70,000 to get on the ballot. All have to be registered voters in Co. Figure about 100,000 to make sure we have 70,000. Word is it will take abour $3 mil to run a successful ballot initiative. One Texan is running our legistlature right now. HB-1188 is going to conference committee on Mon. at 1:30 pm in HCR 109. Senator Hodge, Rep. Currey, and 4 other hand picked opposers of the bill. Sen Hodge let me know she does not think anything useful will come out of it, the committee is stacked against us. We are keeping the pressure on locally and the entire state needs to crank it up everywhere as we roll into summer. The opposition is hoping that this will all peter out in a few years and they will have won. Later
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I didn't see this posted and so attached is the link to the PBS round table on river access laws. Worth a watch.

River Access Laws | Studio 12 | PBS Video
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Just a reminder that you can listen to the conference committee discussion on 1188 online by going to

Its the very last three days of legislative session, so the schedule may get changed at the last minute.

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