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Old 03-10-2010   #181
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I believe their are only three companies that are currently permitted to run the Taylor River outside of Gunnison. Scenic River Tours owned by Ches Russell, Three Rivers rafting owned by Mark Schumacher and Wilderness Pursuits owned by Western State College. Despite Steve Roberts agreement with Schumacher not to run the Middle Taylor he still went to Kathleen Curry to get this bill started.

"Last summer, Ches Russell and Mark Schumacher asked me to run legislation to address the fact that a landowner on the Taylor River had exercised his right to deny passage through his property."

Thus, it is interesting that according to Curry, Three Rivers which is run by Schumacher does not even operate trips on the section of the Taylor that sparked this issue. He found a way to work with Steve a land owner that is adamant about blocking the middle Taylor.

The next layer lies in the Upper Section of the Taylor River which is the most popular white water run for all the companies. It to is laced by private land owners who have not yet attempted to block passage to the river. However, there have been problems when their trees that line the bank blow down and often create river wide strainers (its a small river). At which point company owners haft to obtain access to their property to remove the tree.

Furthermore, the Taylor river is not like Browns Canyon. While guiding on Taylor you must slow time to make what could be a 30-45 minute river trip a 2 hour river trip. In Browns your never really killing time unless it is high water. This issue was sparked from a region that provides unique river trips on a section of river that is much different in terms of volume that others throughout the state. High water is usually around 1000cfs in the upper section. Base line flows during the season are between 300 and 400cfs. The Taylor's unusually structure is part of the reason HB 1188 stems from this area.

From there we have expand the argument to all floatable sections of river in the state where the similar blockages have happen or will continue to happen depending on whether this bill passes.

Curry Kathleen, “Letter to constituents about the float bill.” Rep. Kathleen Curry. Letter to constituents about the float bill » (accessed March 9, 2010).

B. Roberts Steve, “Why favor rafters?.” denverpost. Why favor rafters? - The Denver Post (accessed March 10, 2010).

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Old 03-10-2010   #182
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Vincent Carroll column on 1188 in 3.10 Denver Post

Carroll: Treat all floaters the same - The Denver Post

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Old 03-10-2010   #183
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Pro'ly been posted several times, but I'm lazy and figure others are as well... There's a facebook group in favor of the prop:

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Old 03-10-2010   #184
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HB 1188 - Committee Hearing Now MONDAY March 15th

We just heard from the Capitol ... House Bill 1188, the 2010 River Outfitters Viability Act is NOW scheduled to be heard in the Senate Judiciary Committee THIS Mon. March 15th 1:30pm. (we swear - okay, we think. the calendar is always changing.)
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Old 03-11-2010   #185
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CW Board Position on HB1188 - Update

The CW board met last night and has decided to help get 1188 out of committee in order to be able to amend it. CW has developed amendments that we intend to offer on the floor of the Senate when and if HB1188 passes out of Judiciary Committee.

CW’s final position on the bill will depend on the success of our amendments. In the end, if we feel that the final bill is harmful to private boater interests, we will move to kill the bill.

Right now, we are requesting help from CW members and the private boating community to contact members of the Senate Judiciary Committee before the hearing on March15th. The bill is currently scheduled to be heard second on the calendar when the Committee meets at 1:30 pm. Monday. You can find a list of Senate Judiciary members here:

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What are your amendments?
"Let us cross the river to the other side and rest beneath the shade of the trees." ~ Last words of Thomas Jonathan ''Stonewall' Jackson
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What are your amendments?
Still in development and will depend partly on amendments in committee Monday. Will let folks know when they are ready for primetime.
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Old 03-11-2010   #188
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Yes, the bill is set to go into committee on Monday, 3/15. We are loading vans to head over from Gunnison and invite anyone to join us. We'll be leaving about 7:30am and back late that night. Transportation, lunch and dinner are all provided. Please call me or Vito at Three Rivers by Saturday if you want to join us. 970-641-1303

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Old 03-11-2010   #189
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Just received this email if anyone wants to follow the hearing:

Hello everyone!

Thank you for your interest in HB 1188, we wanted to share an update and some info with you about its upcoming Senate hearing. It will be heard in Senate Judiciary Committee this Monday the 15th of March at 1:30PM (BTW, this is accurate and up to date, it has been moved from the 17th to the 15th). The hearing will be in the Old Supreme Court Chambers.

If you are interested in listening to know ASAP if it passes go to our website, “Audio/video Broadcasts”, then “Old Supreme Court Chambers”. The hearing will start at 1:30 but 1188 may be later, so be sure to check in at 1:30 and then about every half hour until it is heard.

Please call me in the office with any questions, comments, or concerns.

Thanks again,
Representative Kathleen Curry
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Old 03-12-2010   #190
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It's currently shaping up to look like Sen. Evie Hudak will be the deciding vote in the Senate Judiciary committee. Lets all be sure to call or email to let her know where we stand. I have had a couple of conversations with Sen Hudak, and she seems to think that the concerns of citizens residing outside her district don't seem to matter, so if she asks, you're from Lakewood.

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