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Old 01-11-2005   #1
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Gus vs Embudo

So, its the off season and its time to buy a creeker for myself. Iv'e paddled the M3, Y, Mamba, and Nomad. I used the Y exstensively but I'm looking for something more modern. It seems to me the plastic on these boats is not exactly as burly as i thought they should be. So, Ive done some looking and narrowed it down to either a Gus or Embudo. I'm 6'4 ~195 with the requisite long legs that make a lot of other boats not too likely. I'm looking for something to run the steeps in while also being able to do self-supported missions and the like. Any info anyone has on either of these boats would be awsome especially if you can compare the two. Any other boats I might be overlooking would be useful as well. Thanks, have fun in the powder and I'll see you all in the water.

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Old 01-11-2005   #2
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Gus is comfy but a bit quirky.
Embudo is great all around, but is lacking on outfitting and doesn't boof as well as many others.Bottom line you will be very happy with either even though the Gus will take a bit to perfect.

From what I understand Dagger is coming out with some good creekers this season. I work for Jackson and we have our first creekers coming out in March.

You might want to hold off a bit until the season gets a little closer. There will be a whole new swath of boats to choose from and the outfitting is getting very nice these days.

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Old 01-11-2005   #3
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I can't vouch for the Gus, but I went from a Y to an Embudo. I'm 6'3", 225lbs, 36" inseam, size 13 feet, and I just seem to be to big to fit comfortably in the Embudo. A friend of mine with smaller feet and longer legs thought it was a very uncomfortable boat after paddling a seven day trip in it.

I like the way it paddles, I just think a creek boat should be comfy, and easy to get in and out of. The Embudo is not this for me. I guess I'm in the market for a new boat also.

Good luck!

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Old 01-12-2005   #6
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Last fall I got an embudo after paddling the Y for several years. For me the embudo is super comfy, but I'm 5'-8". However I know of several tall guys who are also comfortably fit. It's way faster than the Y, and boofs at least as good. However if you miss that boof, the boat will really pencil in, unlike the Y which kind of bounces off the water. A great big-water boat that really holds a line, however it's hard to adjust your line if you are off. A bit less forgiving than the Y. You can't beat the plastic or the cargo space available. I'm wanting to demo the el jeffe and the rocker. Perhaps we could get together a group and play musical boats on black rock this spring.
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El jefe

Check the el hefe it looks more creekier than the gus and quirks worked out. The gus is good but has its quirks. if you learn the boat, you can paddle anything. The big nomad would be good but it is hard as hell to pack much gear in. The seat comes up to high making it a squeeze to load gear. Make a small cut and it would work great.
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I hoped in the Gus and thought that it paddled like a champ. I seldom creek and felt that the GUS transitioned easily from playboat. The El Jefe is going to come it two sizes and from what I have seen looks awesome but will be full price and the Gus will be a great used option. When ever I hear Prijion I just think Weight. Any boat is going to be lighter, perform better, carry easier than a prijion and in general Liguid Logic pays attention to weight, especially in the play boats.

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When ever I hear Prijion I just think Weight
Funny, whenever I hear Dagger I just think Weight.

I like Prijons, typically their creekers are great. The Embudo is my all time favorite creek boat, but I felt it was piton prone and too big for me, I was 150lbs when I was paddling it. The outfitting of Prijon boats is typically poor.

LL seems to be the company putting out the best combination of design, quality of plastic, and outfitting to me right now. Time will tell, but I have high hopes for the Jackson creek boat.
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Re Embudo/ Gus


When I think of the Gus I think of a super HEAVY boat !!!

The Embudo Rocks. As with anything though you ask 10 people, you
will get 10 different opinions.

I would suggest. Not listening to the industry trolls on this site.
And go demo and sit in boats and make up your own mind.

Robson has new creeker coming that looks sik as well.

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