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Old 02-04-2009   #11
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Wanderlust is the shit, they aren't training this year!
Jen, I'm coming back. Full time. I talked to Bob. You ready to get crazy?

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Old 02-04-2009   #12
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HAHAHAHA Yes she did flip on Filter Plant! She had to buy a keg!

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Old 02-04-2009   #13
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How long is the season on the Poudre?

I've never even been to the Poudre drainage. Just looking at water levels on my days off, it seems to drop early. The Ark goes the longest and most popular, my friends on the Animas get to run lots of Sections the upper, Rockwood box, and the Peidra (sp?) which rookie won't be on. Clear Creek guides can get 4 trips a day.
West Virgina still trains for free but its in the spring. Just thought I let you know there is more place than the Poudre.

Talk to guides on these sections about companies. Raft company owners get weird after a few years, micro mangers, paranoid, and removed from the river.

Good luck!
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Old 02-04-2009   #14
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Yes, yes I did..... Its an elite group.... Me, Jacobi and some girl who hit the bridge..... I wouldn't say I did it on purpose but I would say a down stream flip on the FP while being the TL with rookies is something that I should get a bronze star for (or a punch in the face).... I bought a whole keg for swim beer though
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Old 02-04-2009   #15
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I guide in Durango, and I dont think that you can train for free at any of the companies down here. I agree with mania that you cant expect/trust/require any raft guides to stick around for an extended length of time, we tend to be pretty spontaneous and individualist. I could maybe see some sort of refund for a guide school after a season or two of work, but that would surely lead to some sort of conflict between guides and companies eventually.
i work with mild to wild and its true that there is little possibility of rookies guiding anything other than the lower animas, but some of the better ones have gotten on the san miguel (near telluride). Also, mild to wild runs, as far as i know, the most sections of river, including the upper animas, piedra, san miguel, and even float trips on the colorado in moab. durango is also a great place to live.
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Old 02-04-2009   #16
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For the best guide school go to Cali. Wilderness Adventures has the best guide school there is. The best way to learn to raft is to run some flooded out shit and try not to crap yer self. You learn in a hurry how to get er done, and if you don't, you learn how to set up a z-drag and practice your swimming. And the best guide trainee each year gets a free trip down the grand canyon to boot.
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Old 02-05-2009   #17
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My advice - a 90 course is quite excessive and likely quite costly. Most companies charge for guide training. This is usually in the $200-700 range but it varies across the country. You train, then you get in a bunch more hours, then you become a guide and in a lot of ways your first season is spent constantly improving your skills - while making some ca$h. Actually skill improvement will keep going on for a long long time until you get old and decrepit. But your rookie season you should make some money, enough to cover living in a tent, beer, paying for guide training, and some basic rafting gear, like a life jacket.

Personally I feel that the best companies interview people for guide training like it is a job, and train maybe one or two more people than they intend to hire. I am not a fan of many companies that train 15 guides for 7 spots - then again the guides not hired usually get work elsewhere, so maybe it isn't too bad of a deal.

I think it is fair to charge for training, but I generally think that refunding half of the training cost at the end of season one, and the rest after a second season is reasonable.
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Old 02-05-2009   #18
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My 2 cents;
As long as you can stick around after the training is complete, you should be able to continue your training (ride along's, suicide boats, ect) till you feel ready to check out. Dont spend more than 300$ and make sure the Co you train with will allow you to stick around. If they dont hire trainees, dont go there. Remember its not what you know, its who, and you already have your foot in the door with the Co you trained with. Just dont suck or be an ass and you should be embraced by fellow guides. Dont expect to be in the black at the summers end. Remember, its your rookie year and all ego's should be checked at the door lest you find yourself on shit duties.
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Old 02-05-2009   #19
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Go and do the WILD Program. I learned to guide last summer in British Columbia and worked with a couple of folks who went through the WILD and loved it. The greatest part is that you will learn to kayak and raft, get a SRT Level I and II, and run something like 30-40 rivers from Canada to the States to Mexico. You can't get this kind of training anywhere else in the world. Paying to learn to guide seems like a scam but we all payed to go to college, so whats the big deal?
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Old 02-05-2009   #20
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You can train in the east for free. You have to spend the time and effort but you will receive good training. The Ocoee river in Tennessee is a great place to learn. The season is longer than Colorado and you get plenty of time on river. training starts in March and you can guide until October. In my opinion the raft companies SHOULD be training you for free, you make them more money in 2 commercial trips, than they spent training you!

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