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Old 05-22-2006   #11
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Own up to the fact that we are killing our own Earth. seem to be somewhat of a role-model on this site. Stand for something that will allow the next generations to ski and paddle like you love to do.

Gasses like carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide does cool the Earth. It's because we are blocking out the sun's rays. But it insulates the Earth causing the atmosphere to heat up. Scientists have recently learned that the earth can be cooled by these gases and are estimating that since we have not accounted for other effects like this that instead of seeing temps increase by 3-4 degrees in the next century, it may be much higher(18 C). Once the temps begin to increase and places like the rain forests begin to dry up, wildfires will be more prominent and the burning will produce more CO2 and the effects will compound. We need to do something immediately. This is no joke and we can't sit around trying to decide what paper presents the best arguements. It is a fact that the Earth is heating and burning oil is contributing to this problem. Sell your gas-chugging vehicles, move closer to you job, ride a bike, but we have to get away from burning oil. We need to look to electric powered cars and riding mass transits that use electricity or something that has reduced emissions.

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Old 05-22-2006   #12
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Old 05-22-2006   #13
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don't just call me negative... try and read between the lines...
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Old 05-22-2006   #14
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You're wading knee deep and going in,
and you may never come back again.
This bog is thick and easy to get lost in
cause you're a stupid, belligerent fucker.
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Old 05-22-2006   #15
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Old 05-22-2006   #16
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Fluctuations in the Earth's mean temperature are usually measured in geological time, not decades. Is it a coincidence that this corresponds with the industrial age?

Like Bob Dylan said: you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows. If you wait for concrete evidence to convince you homo sapiens are causing this trend then it may well be too late.

Use your head.
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Old 05-22-2006   #17
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Well, some threads become a good discussion and others just become the internet equivalent of yelling. Oh, well.

I'm a bit surprised to see so many people question whether global warming is occuring and whether humans are causing it. While there were questions about this 5-10 years ago, it's pretty clear now that the industrial age is causing global warming. The info put out by anti-global warming people are distorted. The question now is more how bad will global warming be?

Here are some good sources:
Darn, I don't think those links are publicly available. Well, any credible source will have similar info. Didn't TIme magazine have some articles on this?

Frankly, I'm appalled by those commercials that suggest doubling the atmospheric content of CO2 is fine. The debate should be more on what are reasonable steps to take rather than should we ignore it. We don't have to make big life style changes now. I'm afraid if we ignore it, big life style changes will be forced on us eventually.

If commercials like that have an impact on our society, it doesn't speak well for our society.
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You know what I think. Come on the NY Times? You gotta have better sources than that.
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Old 05-22-2006   #19
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Okay, fair enough. Some people have suggested that there is no scientific consensus on the cause of global warming. While I take that with a grain of salt, I'll reluctantly agree to that point. There is no complete scientific consensus on that point, though an increasing number of reputable scientists (including the National Academy of Sciencences) concede that human activity contributes in large part to global warming. I too look at the world through analytical eyes, and the data (which I don't find to be the result of "poor scientific process") that I've examined, combined with extrapolation on three scientific givens has convinced me of the plausibility of anthropogenic global warming. These three givens are, first, the fact that CO2, Methane, and water (as well as other gases) create a greenhouse effect that traps sloar radiation, potentially heating up the planet. Secondly, that atmospheric concentrations of this gas have skyrocketed since the industrial revolution, and thirdly, that this coincides with a rise in mean global temperature (NOT on a climate model, in actual data). To provide an analogy, Macroevolution is essentially unprovable, but is an extrapolation of scientifically provable microevolutionary theory, and provides a largely coherent means of explaining the mechanism by which life on this planet changes with regard to species. If anyone wants to have a dialogue about human causes of global warming, that's fine, but I'd rather do something else than waste my life on a forum. Plus, I think it's somewhat irrelevent to the post at hand. What this ad is doing is attempting to contradict scientific fact, namely, that excessive Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant. In fact, since they call carbon dioxide "life", it would seem that burning more fossil fuels would be beneficial to this planet. They aren't going so far as to deny human involvment in global warming, only a key scientific fact, the greenhouse effect. I think this reflects the oil sponsorship of this particular think tank. In short, I think this is BS propaganda designed to cut off any real dialogue about an important issue.
Coincidentally, I'm neither conservative nor liberal.
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