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Old 10-26-2010   #161
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Originally Posted by Randaddy View Post
This rapid is hundreds of yards from the railroad tracks. The right side of the rapid MAY have been influenced by people blasting for gold. It is not railroad blast and it is not certain that this is man made. It's probably important to act as though the rapid is a natural one unless we are certain otherwise. Also the impact could be over a hundred years old and part of the Arkansas Valley's history...
Yep, the railroad is a long way from Frog Rock.

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Old 10-27-2010   #162
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Looking at it, it is absolutely clear all these rocks fell from the cliffs river right (ie, not the RR). However the point is that here in Colorado most of our 'undercut' issues are from rock debris piles, regardless of what caused the debris.

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Old 10-27-2010   #163
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Good pics.

Sorry about the railroad goof, but it's still man made. See: Frog Rock Thread
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Old 10-27-2010   #164
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Thanks for taking the time to take and post these images.

This is the most complete series of images of this rapid I have seen. Tells the entire Frog Rock story very well.

Over the years, I have run this rapid a lot in a kayak and several times in a raft. If a person always runs hard river left the danger of the rapid might well be under rated, as on the left it is a easy move and typical of a lot of drops on the upper Ark. Never took the time to check it out in detail on river right as due to all the concerns about going river left I really concentrate hard on looking at the go left slot. (I believe 100 percent that you go where you look!)

From the photos, I can see that some one who did not know about the danger "could" head river right and not realize the bad choice till it was too late.

Thanks again for the images.
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Old 10-27-2010   #165
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Originally Posted by basil View Post
Good pics.

Sorry about the railroad goof, but it's still man made. See: Frog Rock Thread
I have seen the drill marks in it as well, but that doesn't mean that it was blasted off the wall. Perhaps at one point someone else considered blowing up the rock in it's current position (not that anyone is seriously thinking of blasting it again). The location of the visable holes leads me to believe they were drilled while it was already in the river.
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Old 10-27-2010   #166
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searchers found Kimberley today about 1 pm. Expected to reach and retrieve by 3pm.
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Kimberly was found at 1PM today.

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Old 10-27-2010   #168
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Thanks to the hard work of all that were involved today. I for one am glad this is over and maybe some peace will come to the family and friends.
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Old 10-27-2010   #169
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"Well Done" to all the folks involved in this who wouldn't give up. The #7 shaped rock dam that allowed this recovery to happen will be dismantled and I'm sure an honest attempt will be made to restore the rocks to their original positions, but I wouldn't be surprised if the left run becomes much more viable at all levels.
The CoSpgs dive team that actually made the recovery described in exquisite detail the underwater chambers on the right. Removing the hazard is virtually impossible.
So glad this is over --more peace for everyone--especially the Applesons.
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This is still horrible. I hope those involved can find peace.

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