Originally Posted by the_white_water_rage
Just getting into kayaking really wanting a creek boat for cheap. I was looking at the Jackson karma any other suggestions on cheap boats or ideas?
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Karma!!! - I sound like a broken record on these kinds of posts. For real, though, you will not regret your hard earn money being spent on a Karma.
The next best would be the Villain.
The Karma is an amazing performance achievement ... providing unbelievable stability (primary, secondary), carves, pushes out from holes and drops, boofs easily, soft landings, is fast, dry, quick edge to edge, hovers over seams/boils/swirly waters, is the safest boat (unishock bulkhead) and comfortable, is enjoyably lighter than all other creekers, and is driven by the boater rather than pushed everywhere as a paddler.
Most everything else are descent boats and many try to achieve some similar design performance, but ... they fall short in one way or another. It doesn't mean they aren't going to provide some performance, but in my experience and others that I work and boat with, the others brands all have less overall performance, construction achievements, and satisfaction.
That's my advice and I'm sticking to it. I am unsponsored. Others will chime in with their affection for whatever they own or are sponsored by now.
PS: Be aware that the Karma and Villain are high performance boats that activate their best performance responsiveness upon exactly locating the seat position to your weight distribution. As will any boat. It takes experimenting on the water, not just sitting in and adjusting for a living room type appreciation of feel, but more like a race car with precise weight distributions and steering adjustments. Dial it in for best performance.