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Old 03-22-2012   #11
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Originally Posted by caspermike View Post
All those rocks will be covered with a small amount of water and than the gradient disappears. Good to know what's below the surface though..
Indeed. The gradient is short lived and mostly in the top of the canyon, but for someone looking for variety it might just be a fun run....

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That little gorge is kinda' cool but way short . There seems to be another similar one a little down river on private property .The run down to the South Platte definitely has gradient ,at least in parts. I have a video [vhs /vcr] with a short segment of it being run. It's either Gary E. or Paul Teftt. Manky 4-5. Might be worth exploring for adventurous class IV boaters with a portage or two,but is in the junk category with GrapeCreek, Lefthand, or Jemez to most class V boaters. One man's trash is another man's treasure . I like stuff like that, but it is more for the adventure than quality boating. Your main obstacle will be flow,before tributaries join the flow across ranch land and what little there is gets badly depleted.

If you are motivated explore the St. Charles,a run has been done and reported to have a little advanced whitewater ....don't know where ...not too far from you...Shelf road ? ....Beaver Creek off Pikes Peak ? ok maybe not, 1st D attempters rescued by helicopter....
After looking things over on the maps and satellite this canyon seemed to be the only one on Tarryall that wasn't either predominately flat-water, or mostly V-VI. Plus it runs along the edge of the Lost Creek Wilderness... I am not saying this is a worthy destination for boaters traveling from anywhere, but perhaps a good alternative for local boaters who want more variety. I could see spending a night camped at the put-in...doing a couple laps in the canyon and know, something different.

And there isn't too much water diverted above this stretch, some in the flats near Como and Jefferson, but a good portion of their diversions returns to the creek. Michigan Creek (the other major tributary) comes in above Tarryall Res, and there is a small diversion for Bayou Salodo Res....other than that it's all native flow.

I am also interested in Grape Creek. Not the Temple Canyon stretch that everyone always talks about, but running from the outflow of Deweese to the Temple Canyon bridge as a 2-3 day, class 2-3 self support kayak trip. Looks like a pretty canyon through changing ecosystems.

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Old 03-22-2012   #12
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I have a friend who is friends with a private property owner on St. Charles and I have talked with him about the person who boated it and doing it again.....doesn't sound like it was that great of quality, but maybe another different run to check off the list...

Don't want to waste my time with Fourmile (Shelf Road), or anything off Pikes Peak. I did however, get a hot tip in a Mountain Buzz back alley that Crystal Creek that runs into Crystal Reservoir just above the Black Canyon has gradient, granite, and a riverside 4wd road....

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Old 04-10-2012   #13
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good to see someone keeping up the work. i wonder where are the douchebags are to shoot you and your interest in recon boating down?

must just be me they dont like i guess.

were you told your crystal creek info by a certain hardcore black canyon veteran that frequent this board? he told me about that too, ive looked a bunch (both in person and digitally) at it and I cant seem to find this 4x4 road. there is one that follows the creek, but stays high (like, 1,000+ vert) above the creek bottom. it looks very scary to say the least, a tight, deep, narrow canyon with not much room in the bottom. the word hair gets tossed around a lot these days, might fit well with that description? getting out at the bottom would be a nightmare, it would involve boating upstream a number of miles to cimarron, or hiking out straight up the hill to the road. but, i dont disregard things like that so im very interested in at least getting in and hiking around.

i think most people that have run/looked tarryall have been advanced boaters on their way to/from other places. to those that run class V on the regular, then I could see Tarryall being a piece of shit. to those of us that arent that badass, this might be a real fun mission, a chance to run something not on the radar. im excited and ready, count me in.
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Would also love to be counted in on any exploratory trips going on, I'm no whitewater snob, just looking for some new and fun adventures.

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