Originally Posted by ZGjethro
The following is just my opinion, and after a few glasses of wine! I feel there is too much emphasis on first descents today. After believing we boated a few Colorado firsts, I still hear of boaters claiming firsts of these runs ten to fifteen years later. If a run is not in your backyard and you do not have consistent data about it, then please do not claim a first descent. Just because some locals do not recall anyone boating a river, it does not mean no one has. It could have been a rainy day and they were inside and did not see the flotilla drift past! I would look for remote wilderness runs and enjoy the solitude of the journey. To claim a first descent today, it has to be cutting edge creeking or as Yeti noted, super remote. You will never truly know if you were the first to boat a river, and to claim so seems petty and vain. Leave the first descent ego trip behind and enjoy your trip. I envy you as I am out of action with shoulder probs. Please remember to post info/picts of your adventure. John
I have a small problem with that......
I do agree people need to garner much more beta before deciding to lay claim to a "first descent". A lot of times runs that you would think are possible first d's have been claimed sometime down the line, probably by a local boater with some time to kill and no blog or video means to get it out there. thus, you have to ask around and find out for sure.
But I disagree totally with the mentality of just "giving up" on first descents. There are still TONS of them out there that the 1st D info just needs to be established a little more on, and I don't think anyone should stop the excitement of looking for them- you're essentially coming from the position of "Well, the 1st d's are all done, so dont bother", or similar to the "last one here syndrome" that people get when they move to CB. "Well, the first d's have all been claimed, so now theres no need for anyone else too". You said yourself you guys laid claim to several 1st d's in CO. And how awesome did it feel to get to the bottom of those? Pretty damn, I bet. So why would you deny other people the chance to feel that same feeling? What, you get to feel it, and now no one else does? Pretty fucked up, dude. If there is enough info to believe it's even remotely a first d, then I think you have every right to get fired up and go after it. And it's not like there isn't streams left in CO that haven't had a descent.....I could give you six or seven right now that are awaiting a first grease. Theyre out there!
The biggest problem is the lack of available beta. Old time boaters are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stingy with their beta that its damn near impossible to find out if something has been run or not. Well, if you don't want someone claiming a 1st D, then you best speak up and let us know that you've run it already!!!! This is the problem with a LOT of you old time boaters......I wont name names, but you all know who you are! Don't be so damn modest or non chalant, fuckin CLAIM that shit. I dont know, maybe they think if they dont talk about it no one else will get interested. Well, you forget about people like me who pour over maps every day for a living. Because ultimately who will later generations believe? Some guy who claimed he did it in '95 but offers no proof other than a quick, two line post, "oh yeah, we did it in '95", or someone who goes in there with a video and still camera and records the mission? Yeah, you might have done it first, but without telling anyone, it's hard for history to believe you.......Speak up with that shit!
If you have the drive to make some 1st d's, then you need to not listen to folks like Jethro; don't let them get you down. There are plenty of possibilities left and it's just a matter of getting on them. And just because a bunch of folks claimed to have done it all back in the day, doesn't mean they did. Get out there and claim some shit.
I've got several first D's on my radar for next spring, right here in CO. It's going to be a tough call with timing the flows, but when it happens they will be worth it. I've done a lot of research and as far as I can tell, these are all virgin streams.. So they're out there! And I wont let my excitement be dampened by and ol school boater who thinks it's "all been done".