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Old 02-26-2007   #11
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Unfortunately, there will be no alcohol sold at this event. If we were to sell beer for the event, I'd have had Ska Brewery locked up in a heartbeat.

Jackson is the boat manufacturer sponsor via Confluence Kayaks, who is the sole local outfitter/sponsor for the event.

Most of the big slalom and wildwater boat manufacturers are in Europe.

So.... that being said. Corporate sponsorship is tough at this level of paddlesports in this country. Regardless that some of these kids will go on to one day represent their country in the Olympics and World Cup Series.

We have 7642 members on the Buzz... $5,000 is needed, $200.00 is what I am kicking in, so $4,800 divided by 7642 is roughly .63 cents if everyone kicked in.... something to think about

And the Lord said, let there be whitewater. So on Friday, the 13th day of the month....
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Old 02-27-2007   #12
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Are these the gates right at the confluence, next to REI, or the ones a bit downriver, just below the skate board park?

Those gates are a real pain when play boating. It would be nice if you can move them out of the way when you are done.

I'll donate money to have the gates removed, not put up. And I don't think slalom kayaking is that big of an event anymore.

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Old 02-27-2007   #13
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They are going into Confluence

Sorry Basil, but they are going into Confluence. Whether they're a pain or not should not be an issue. We all have to share the river, and that includes slalom boaters. The gate will only be in use during slalom events or training (at proscribed times). We never had a problem with it in Durango and all shared the river very well. At least you don't have to worry about herds of elephants (rafts...sorry oar boaters)

Playboaters have NO exclusive right to anything on any river. Once the gates are up, they will be maintained by FRPA, but will be property of the City and County of Denver Parks and Recreation.

As such, tampering with, destroying, or removing will become a criminal offense, punishable by fines and/or jail time.

That being said, slalom kayaking is a global sport, and it is still a big event, and IT IS, an official IOC event, playboating is not. You might want to try your hand at slalom, Basil. Your playboating skills will become better.
And the Lord said, let there be whitewater. So on Friday, the 13th day of the month....
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Old 02-27-2007   #14
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I have no problems sharing the river with other boaters, or people in tubes, or fishermen. I don't want you to go away. Just please be considerate by moving the gates out of the way when you are done.

Did I really deserve the police warning? And the lecture to try slalom boating?

And be real, what do you think the ratio is of play boaters to slalom boaters?
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Old 02-27-2007   #15
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...and thus the embers were blown upon, kindling placed and fuel thrown to rekindle the all but forgotten flames of outdoor sports rivalry.

Let's see..we have:
playboaters v. slalom boaters
k1 v. c1
decked boaters v. open boaters
everyone v. rafters (cuz they suck...unless carrying beer/girls/the shitter)
everyone (even rafters) v. tubers
boarders v. skiers
tele skiers v. alpine skiiers
mountainbikers v. hikers v. equestrians
road bikers v. cars (gonna lose that one every time)
is there a trad v. sport in the climbing world? dunno never climbed

I wonder if chopper pilots and regular airplane pilots have turf wars...or is the sky big enough?

In retrospect, I seem to have deviated significantly from the afore agreed upon haiku format.
I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, vicious people, because I bet a lot of high schools would pick "Americans" as their mascot. -Jack Handy
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Old 02-27-2007   #16
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biggest balls

Once Canoe I saw,
down forty feet of water,
badass yes he was.

Open boat it was,
his roll was bomb and sweet,
Open Boater rules.
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Old 02-27-2007   #17
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The Facts of what will happen at Confluence

Here is the deal.
The FRPA (Chris Wiegand-Director) and the City of Denver are finalizing a partnership for paddle sport. The intention is to offer ALL DISCIPLINES OF INSTRUCTION to ANYONE within the City. This partnership will entail events and other such initiatives that the FRPA hosts will end in a significant percentage of all revenue to return to Confluence Park Fund. This will be used for continual costs of maintaining the whole site to assist the City.

The following will be happening shortly once the final contract is signed. I have been sitting in meetings with the following groups to be sure that this partnership is truly healthy and in the best interest of ALL PARTIES
Denver Water
Denver Department of Health
Denver Parks and Recreation
Colorado State Department of Health
Coalition of Urban River Evaluation -South Platte Division

We will not only be a primary group (there will be a few) responsible for education for water quality and improvements. Commercials, Media Reports etc....

Teh City of Denver Parks and Rec, by the order of the Park and Rec Deputy, John Overstreet has assigned the liaison Leslie Roper to be our assistant and direct contact for the FRPA in this partnership. They will provide all the man power to place 6 14 foot high by 6"wide steel posts to be concreted in along the course. A 2" diameter cable will run the length of both sides. The FRPA and other volunteers will then place the cross wires (1/4" aircraft cable) from each boundary wire (approx 30 from top to bottom 14 Feet above the water level).
Thanks to Mike Hyde for volunteering in making these great gates on a pulley and wheel system.

The gates will only be in channel when a slalom or instruction group is on the water. At all other times, the gates will be elevated to max height (approx 6' above the water level), pulled to the center island and will not be anyones concern when you are on the water.

The only place for adjusting or moving the gates will be only from the island. No wires will cross the path as the structure poles will be at the drop jetties heading down the course.

We will have signage in place explaining the sport of canoe/kayak, including a breakdown of of all disciplines.

There will as part of a CYA for all organizations that use the site there will be a permanent sign that "educates" all people that (verbiage to be drawn by Denver Legal) everyone in the water should have a PFD and Head protection and hints to the varying levels of water bacteria based on water flow and ambient air temps.

The long term (next two years) - A group has been put together to help redevelop the entire 8th - 23rd areas of the Platte. New drops (adjustable), rebuilding and extension of Confluence to the bridge and the drops by 20th street rebuild with in stream obstacles. This is not a wet dream and is a vision that is actionable. I should have plans available on the web shortly for the confluence rough plan and basin plan drawn by McLaughlin Whitewater. A meeting to present this plan last Friday was done in front of City of Denver Officials, Denver Water and Dept of Health as well.

Confluence Kayaks, FRPA, City Wild, Shimoda Group, REI and the Greenway Foundation as well few others are the primary members of this stake holders group.

If anyone has a problem with the gates or structures, come to me!
If you do not know who I am, go see John and Don at Confluence or go into REI, they know how to contact me.

The vision of everyone in this stake holders group and the FRPA is inclusivity in paddle sport (yes rafts fit in this, thanks to City Wild).

We are one family, one huge f'd up family, but we are family.

It is OUR (family) responsibility to protect our amenities to protect it against vandals, trash and educating people if they ask.

I know we can all get along.

We as a stakeholders group can not do anything but share a dynamic vision and be sure it is acted upon. The community and the rest of our family will do our job to protect OUR venues.

Damn these long winded statements.

The gate structures are aimed at an install by April.

Stay tuned to Water Quality Awareness Education and how you can help.
It is our dream to rid of features Hep A,B and C at Confluence.

You will see many more updates by me as we continue building the vision.


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Old 02-28-2007   #18
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Is there a way for a freestyle turned creek boater to get involved with the design of the features? We have three parks in Denver, and all three pretty much suck (to be blunt).

Correction. Union doesn't suck, it just doesn't run.
Kyle McCutchen
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Old 02-28-2007   #19
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Whitewater Design...

The folks who Designed the Ocoee and Western Maryland Artificial Course (3 D adjustable features) are in charge and they have done great work!
Sure the current freestyle locations are not the best, but they were designed before the rest. Now we are trying to set the standards of whitewater in the world.
Kyle... You will be pleased, I can assure you.
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Best in the world? In Denver?

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