Dissapointing Experience At Escalante

[thewestisbest]

o and for everyones info the cops did come out there looking for a highschool party.... after we we shooting guns.....and they left bc there were no prbs.....if glen had that big of a prb he would have said something then...

[farp]

Originally Posted by thewestisbest

o and for everyones info the cops did come out there looking for a highschool party.... after we we shooting guns.....and they left bc there were no prbs.....if glen had that big of a prb he would have said something then...

OT. Can somebody please help this young man with his writing skills. I don't expect Hemmingway on the buzz, but his future is very bleak if this is his level of communication. Ironically this is one of his more lucid posts.

[PiToN]

This is simply about R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

and it sounds like...none was given around the campfire.

[Mike Harvey]

I just want to echo what Hobie said about Alex. He is getting a lot of shit in this mess because his name is well known and maybe people remember some bs with Montrose and that whole thing. I have known Alex since he was a pup and I think he is a genuinely good guy. I not about to defend what happened. I also was not there so who knows how it went down exactly. I think the responses here, though, speak for themselves.

You can tell the folks that have been around a little and the others who are showing themselves to be dumb kids. Guns kill people. I don't give a shit what other dumb rednecks do with guns and booze I think it is fair for the paddling community to expect more.

Furthermore, calling Glen a "pansy" when he signed his name to his post and then signing on under an alias and spewing a bunch of bullshit is just weak. I don't expect you to get it because you need to grow up first and many of us know that don't happen overnight.

I don't think that it unreasonable to expect to be able to go camp at a run and be able to do some mellow partying and then go to sleep without having to worry about firearms and stealing and shit like that. Come on. It is really simple actually. Just don't be an asshole. I think that is all anyone here is saying.

And for the record I own two guns and grew up around firearms and so please save the NRA, 2nd amendment, bullshit in this case.

I think there is a time when the whole Front Range vs. West Side shit talking is funny and I enjoy engaging in it here in the Ark Valley with the BV boys, but this is not the time or the place. Whitewater paddlers here in Colorado should regulate themselves. We have too many important fights looming to keep us paddling runs we love to get derailed in this sort of crap.

Props, Hobie I know that is not an easy decision. Alex I have your back because I know you are a good dude.

[cmack]

This whole issue is kind of crazy. I am only posting because there are a few points I have not noticed come up yet that I would like to mention:

For starters, the whole “guns+booze+anything else late into the night thing”. There are two simple facts here; one is that booze alters your judgment. It can make you think you are safe when in fact you are within millimeters or seconds from being unsafe. That is a fact. Another one is that guns can easily and effortlessly kill people/end lives/destroy lives. The people in this situation who were using the weapon(s) need to use the other half of their brains here and respect the fact that they were the only ones at the site acting in this way, and the two simple facts above made other people beyond nervous. There is a real POSSIBILITY in a situation like this that someone who does not agree with what is going on could get seriously hurt or killed. Perhaps the other people at the site didn’t say anything because they were terrified of the situation. Perhaps Glen didn’t say anything when the cops came because he was afraid of where this may go. I may have been. I would agree that the people involved were wrong, and need to make a serious apology to all others at the campsite and leave that crap out of community camping situations.

I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that people including sponsored athletes remain angels at all times. The truth of the matter is that the majority of the boating community represented here is not happy or even angry about this situation and apparently so was a company sponsoring one of the athletes in question. It doesn’t appear that the suspension was to appease the community, rather they company thought this whole thing sucked and they did not want to sit back and do nothing while the rest of the world started thinking that they don’t mind actions such as these. I think it was perfectly acceptable and correct to report a situation like this. I think the problem here really lies in how people feel about the two facts above. I am one of them. The other fact that it was dark doesn’t help the situation either. Hell, even if people wanted to move away from the situation, bullets travel far, are not impeded by nylon tents and are still loud even a quarter mile away.

[FLOWTORCH]

Originally Posted by thewestisbest

o and for everyones info the cops did come out there looking for a highschool party....

Sounds like they came to the right place.

You're obviously a kid, you just dont get it.

[gh]

I thought everyone could see the IP addresses but I still dont know what all the new software does and doesnt do. KNOW THIS. If you continue to throw threats and accusations around under an alias. I will post your true id along with your aliases.

admin

[jomama]

awwww shit. all i really can say is eat dick, dick dick

[cokayakn]

Originally Posted by boater

As a gunni paddler and friends of most of the people thats names have been used,...i think that it is even worse that someone would bitch and complain about the situation and be such a pansy about it that they would post names on the buzz because you and your dog were uncomfortable.

I've alway been proud of the paddling community, more than others I know, for being in tune with the eb and flow of kharmic law /doing right by others. A person is known by their behavior so if your buds behavior shines bad light on their names and they don't like it, they should make better choices. It's clear in this thread that this sort of thing hits a nerve with paddlers. I'm proud to see that the buzz community come together to voice their opinion that the behavior your friends have shown is not something we want associated with Kayaking.
SYOTW

[FLOWTORCH]

Originally Posted by jomama

awwww shit. all i can really say is I eat dick, dick
dick

Whoops, fixed that for ya.

...couldn't resist