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Old 12-27-2007   #11
Golden, Colorado
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Wow, this thread is almost three years old.

But to answer your question, when I heard about all the wood I conjured images of some of the other obscure creeks I've looked at and decided it wouldn't be worth it. Plus, cleaning the odd tree is fine by me, but from the sounds of other people's comments, it could possibly alter the streambed and affect habitat. I'm not saying I know that for a fact, just that it sounds like it could be the case.

I met Chan Zwanzig last spring while boating out at X-mtn gorge and I think he said that he had done that and some other creeks in the area back in the early 90's and that he felt the quality and access issues didn't warrant the amount of work required. I don't remember for sure what he said as I was floating down a river during the conversation. He was spitting out names of creeks right and left that he'd done in the Flattops that I'd never heard of. Since he was super motivated at that point in time when he was doing those new runs, I'll take his memory that it wasn't worth it.

Lastly, I'm not an old dog by any means, but over time I have changed my attitude somewhat regarding stream cleaning. It's a balance of factors, but unless the creekbed held a lot of promise, I would think long and hard before removing a substantial amount of wood on a new run. How many people will benefit from it as boaters? There are lot's of other established runs that need a little maintenance and probability dictates that those established runs will benefit the larger community more because they have more users.

Lastly (2), I've met a few fisherman before while I had a chainsaw in hand and they were fine and okay with what I was doing (besides thinking I was crazy) but all it would take is one bad encounter to get the authorities involved and it would have an adverse affect on boater relations in general.

Anyhow, not trying to sound preachy, but since you asked I'm sharing my thoughts.

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Old 12-29-2007   #12
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Lefthand has to have the highest ratio of cleaning to getting run[maybe Bear Creek] Shizzle's up there chain sawing,myself and Baguaninja have cleaned it the last two years[and some before] last year we must have pulled 20 snags and potential snags out in multiple spots plus moved shit on shore that looked like it might get in at high water.I never got on it and Jason only once I think.It's an okay run,probably best as part of an easy creekers triple crown,Boulder Canyon-Lefty-Proving Grounds, never done it just thought about it alot,usually do Lefty with Boulder or the Bear/Ahole.

Lower Deep Creek is kinda' like Lefty,;4'ish ,tiny,consistent gradient,few distinct drops or eddies,WOOD,easy access.It might be worth cleaning,what I remember most about scouting it,Ticks out the ass!!

That waterfall on Sweetwater looks fun,but is right next to a bridge with NO TRESSPASSING signs all over the place. How do you access it without redneck trouble?

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Old 12-29-2007   #13
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For what it's worth......and a bit off topic.........the BLM and Forest Service are working on getting Deep Creek designated as a Wild and Scenic River. The longest caves in the state are located in the upper layers of limestone. The designation would help protect it from the possibility of future mining and a possible housing project above Deep Creek.
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Old 01-07-2008   #14
Edgewater, Colorado
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Hey Schizzle, Two buddies and I ran Deep Creek back in '96 and I could give you the lowdown if you are interested in some expedition creek boating. Rob 303-238-5928
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Old 01-07-2008   #15
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Oh well . . .

Wasbian: Did you guys do more than the bottom mile or so; or did you drive up and run a long section like 10 miles?

How was the snow on the road? Do you remember the dates?

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