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Old 09-02-2009   #21
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mike from colo"rad"o springs... i only egged on a conversation about the events. no use bottling shit up(like an near entanglement in gore).... other newbiis could learn from it(and did) and you didnt want to share the full experience, of coarse im going to give you hell. and of coarse its a safety hazard to my friends as well and id like to know how much of your rope is in, 10 feet is different than 30 or 40! sorry for caring. this is a online community( used for hooking up and sharing knowledge) . if you are afraid of what somebody thinks and can't admit your wrongs,that is an ego? you remember when i willingly lead your group through gore and had to put up with your groups class 5 first d bs at the putin and the walking shit at kbomb? maybe you should have a little more respect as well. kid.....

agroo dudes? not even going to touch that one.

but go right ahead and ban me never brought anything to the table right.+
you know what i think the japanese started making those bras for dude. im thinking i should place a mass order and hand them out to you guys. wahhhhh wahhhh

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Old 09-02-2009   #22
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Mr. C, are you suggesting that Grif is not who is says he is? Shame on you! He is the Poet Laureate of The Buzz and a Philosopher King, besides being a watercraft innovator... and an amateur recreational chemist. Really a Renaissance Dude, if you ask me. But you didn't ask me, did you?

Uh, I'm just gonna go find a cash machine.
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Old 09-02-2009   #23
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Mr. C, are you suggesting that Grif is not who is says he is? Shame on you! He is the Poet Laureate of The Buzz and a Philosopher King, besides being a watercraft innovator... and an amateur recreational chemist. Really a Renaissance Dude, if you ask me. But you didn't ask me, did you?
Rip, I watched the Big Lebowski last night...never seen it before. Pretty damn funny and I picture you as the reincarnation of the dude. When are we going bowling.
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Old 09-02-2009   #24
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I think every generation has this gripe, once they have been around a while. Whether it is "kids nowdays", or "we had one lightbulb", or whatever. It's part of growing up, things change, and the good ol' days are left behind.

I'm pretty new to boating, and very new to catboating. I have had the exact opposite experience that is talked about here. Veterans welcoming me into the sport, coaching me, mentoring me, and generally being what you say you miss about the sport. But I'm talking Montana/Idaho and we're usually behind the times anyways. In another 10 years maybe we'll see what you describe, who knows.

Every internet forum has it's times where it sucks, and times when they make me laugh out loud. Then there's the time where great knowledge is shared, and I can avoid a huge learning curve (read constant redesign of gear and planning) and cut to the chase to get something that works.

So here we are, the Buzz is what it is now, not what it was, not what it will be, but just as it is. It was here that I found out about the Vertical Challenge, and I'm proud to have gotten involved in that.

Take the best, leave the rest. Love the one you got.

For me, the Buzz is better than some other unnamed forums, since it is much more welcoming of women. Not as much sexism and porno pictures all over the place. Well, except Grif, nice try dude. And it seems more tolerant of stupid rants, because we all have them once in a while, and most of the time people just flow through it.

I must be feeling good today, all touchy feely. I'm just excited to get on the water this weekend, with those awesome cat-boaters who encouraged and welcomed me into the sport!
I am a river, babe - I've got plenty of time, I don't know where I'm going, I'm just following the lines..... - "We are water" by Shaye
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Old 09-02-2009   #25
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The Sport has Changed

A point of view from a boater who has done this for a long time (and is not the boater he used to be)

Things were very different 20, 15, even 10 years ago. There was more open acceptance of all boaters as one of the group. I had a flat tire in the middle of nowhere, in a non boater state, and by the time I changed it 3 boaters had stopped because they saw the kayak on my car and asked if I needed help. I don't think that would happen today.

People went out of their way to give you a shuttle ride. I asked some guys for a ride on few years ago as I was boating alone and they said "sorry we are not going that way"... it was only a 3 mile run. I offered them $10 and they gave me a ride... turns out they were boaters (were not boating that day and had no obvious gear on their jeep)... that was a sad day. $10 was way more compelling than helping out a fellow boater.

I think a lot comes from the different needs in getting started. It used to be harder to get started (getting a boat to borrow/rent even). You had to rely on someone to take you down the river and babysit you... and they were usually giving up a better run and you appreciated it. In return, I think people looked forward to paying back others and the sport in general. Now with play parks and better technology, and more beginner groups getting out as a group on their own (because there are more boaters) there just is not as much reliance on someone making a sacrifice to help you get started. Although this is good in many ways... it also took away more than a bit of the brotherhood and appreciation for others.

I personally don't enjoy the scene as much and therefore don't boat much anymore. (of course kids had something to do with it)

Just another point of view.
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Old 09-02-2009   #26
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"Boater Wave" is the answer!

...but only to like-in-kind boats.
-Play-boat to play-boat
-K-mart raft to K-mart raft
-glass boat to glass boat
-tube to tube

If your a REAL bad-azz creeker, then maybe just a little head-bob

acknowledgment or, as I do, ...quick blink of my hazard lights, double-pump of my passenger side throw bag while screaming (high pitched) "FIRE IT UP (my brethrin bro-braagghhh-ha-ha-grar-bra)" ...and cap it off by chucking my back-up red bull at their rig.
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Old 09-02-2009   #27
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It's more important to have a cool avitar, hide behind your screen name, than it is to be real.
Hell Yeah! look at my new avatar everyone!

wait was he being sarcastic?
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Old 09-02-2009   #28
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I get a kick out of the "back in the day" reminicsing. Seems like the human brain has some sort of weird wiring so that we tend to selectively remember the good things about the past, and we all seem to think that things were the best when we were 15-25 yrs old, not matter what things were actually objectively like at the time.

Judging the boating community by a website is about as rediculous as judging life by reading the front page of the newspaper. Nothing but murder, rape, corruption, and destruction in the newspaper, but life in general is pretty damn good.

There may be a few jackasses on the buzz, but everywhere I paddle, boaters are friendly, helpful, look out for each other, and life is good. Last year some random boaters picked me up hitching in clear creek canyon. Turns out they were from the southeast and I ended up taking them down a handful of great runs. Many similar hookups this year. Hospitality and good vibes are alive and well despite what some people may think. The boater wave is alive and well! 100% success on the road unless I happen to wave at a guy with rec boats who doesn't know the secret handshake.

Maybe there are some very new folks who haven't quite figured it out yet, but give them time... they will.

Pessimists think that the best days are behind them. Optimists like myself know that the best day is the next day I get out on the water with my buddies and have a good time.

Despite a very small contingency of annoying posters, but buzz is full of information and life. I routinely search back through posts for beta on new runs I want to attempt, and I find that to be one of the better uses of the buzz. When folks are looking for flow beta on escalante, OBJ, or looking for info on the latest dam releases, the buzz is your one stop shop for getting all you need. Combine that with endless pictures, videos, links to good blogs, and some humor, and you have a fantastic resource.

For those whose fragile soul can't bear another annoying flame, turn of the computer, take a deep breath and go enjoy life. You are taking the buzz too seriously.

Also, the majority of boaters I run into on the colorado standard runs are hooked inwith the buzz in some fashion. Many of my best paddling connections originated with a buzz hookup. Thanks buzz, you rock!!!

Yes there are growing pains. Heavy handed moderators sometimes get a bit too busy. Silly ads (who wants a bowflex?) and changes to the familiar set up ruffle feathers. In the end its the large community that makes the buzz work. The upside is lot of boaters with an active community. Some small sites get a post a week, or most of the posts have no replies or dialog, and therefore can't hold much interest. The downside of a large and active community is that there a handful of malcontents. Big deal. Its funny to see someone stick their foot in their mouth, and hilarious when they attempt the whole fucking leg!

So, settle, the water is gone, and post runoff depression is in full force. Get out to gore, or westwater, or somewhere, have a good time, and bring some positive energy back to the buzz.

I had a great day on gore last weekend, and another is sure to follow this weekend.

I hooked up for some great adventures this season and the buzz helped many of them.
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Old 09-02-2009   #29
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My point

My point was not to say how awesome the past was, but more to hopefully instill some thought to the process of posters here. I still come here several times a day as a release from pushing paper on my desk. I will boat as long as my body allows me.

This thread is a good sample of what I like here. Some people are pretty damn funny, and no one is ripping someone down personally. I think Kayak Girl is Grifs bi polar alter ego.
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Old 09-02-2009   #30
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"and no one is ripping someone down personally" maybe not not personally but you are ripping on people like the rippers them self. quit compaining go kayaking and get on with life. why worry about the stupid shit(buzz)

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