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Old 10-20-2005   #1
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Dam on the Gunnison Defeated

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Old 10-20-2005   #2
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Good news for the Gunny. Good news for boaters. Good news for the fish. Good news for the environment....

Tough shit for the suburbs!!!

Ha ha ha ha

next time maybee developers will think about a water supply before they sprawl all over the plains.


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Old 10-21-2005   #3
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next time maybee developers will think about a water supply before they sprawl all over the plains
That's a laugh
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Old 10-21-2005   #4
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"The division between the (river) basins is what's hurting this state"
LOL, too funny.
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Old 10-22-2005   #5
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Saudi Aurora and the rest of the Denvoid region could rip up their bluegrass and plant cactus and they'd have plenty of ice cubes for their martini's!

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Old 10-22-2005   #6
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Everyone knows that we need to store and conserve more water if the south metro area is to have an adequate supply during drought years. It's just a matter of how its done. Building large reservoirs is not the answer. Evaporation rates in reservoirs as well as construction and maintainance costs make reservoirs cost prohibitive. We should be looking to the future with aquifer storage and recharge. Highlands Ranch has already taken this approach. During the worst of the recent drought, many suburbs of Denver were struggling to provide enough water to their customers. This was not the case for Highlands Ranch because they had stored large quantities of water underground during wetter years. Therefore when the drought came, they had a source of water to tap until the drought was over. This is a renewable water source because excess surface runoff can be stored underground to replenish the water used during the drought. Let's face it, the metro area will probably continue to grow. Let's come up with solutions for our water problems. Confined Aquifer Storage and Recharge is a viable option for any place with a large source of surface water and confined aquifers beneath the area. Many places in Denver fit this criteria. As river runners and people who care about the environment, we should advocate confined auifer storage and recharge.
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Old 10-24-2005   #7
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Hear! Hear!
Conjuncitve management is the future. But, I encourage all front rangers to advocate responsible development to your local governments. The reason south metro is in such a mess, is because developers are only required to demonstrate a 100 year supply of ground water to build. This 100 year rule ammounts to ground water mining, an unsustainable practice. Wether or not the developers intentionally lied about supplies or just used bad science, the fact is they are running out of water faster than the 100 years promised. It is obvious that new rules are needed. Ones that require a higher standard for a sustainable water supply. This being said there will be ever increasing demands on water in this state. It is important for us boaters to stay vigilant and watch out for the rivers. The union park defeat is only a small victory and there will be more and more water projects coming down the pipe (some good, some bad) which we need to watch out for.
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Old 10-24-2005   #8
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I had to weigh in on this one. Sorry.

I'm not sure the Union Park defeat is much of a victory at all. This is because not many in the water community took the proposal seriously. It is a proposal being organized and pushed by one person out of Palmer Lake; he's been at it for YEARS. It is a vast and undetailed concept based on several assumptions about existing projects. Also, the guy pushing it is not likely to stop pushing it. He has "been defeated" in the past and will likely keep pursuing this, even though his small water right is now gone.

So, the Front Range bashing as related to this proposed project is undeserved. No municipality was behind it (in fact, all I know of, including Aurora, have refused to support it). Union Park is basically just one "prospector" pushing his own vision of what he truly believes will "solve the water issues on the South Platte, the Arkansas, the Rio Grande, and the Colorado." Or, so he told me. Sigh.

Just my two cents.

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Old 10-24-2005   #9
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conservation, aquifer mgt, etc

I'm a little troubled by some of Curtis' assertions.

I realize that he's advocating smart use of water and I wholeheartedly agree with that. I think most people do.

However, conservation will only get you so far, and if the metro are keeps growing at 4% per year or whatever it does, then in a few years, you've consumed everything you've saved with 25% conservation today.

Also, the notion of banking high flows in aquifers ignores where that water comes from. Every drop we use is a drop that's taken out of a river somewhere. Every drop that falls on the ground is already spoken for. Likewise, every drop that gets banked comes out of a riverand out of somebody's appropriation.

Unfortunately something has to give. the population growth in the metro area (and in the mtns for that matter) continues to grow. Large parts of our economy are based on construction and development. So there's going to be this continual pressure to build dams, or aquifer storage, or other projects that take water out of rivers, eliminating high spring flows (all that water is extra, right?).

Ultimately, the only source of "new" water is to take/buy it from farmers. After all, we all know that water runs uphill toward money. Hopefully, we can change laws to allow this before we dry up too many rivers (most irrigation districts don't allow water transfers out of that basin).

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Old 10-25-2005   #10
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"Ultimately, the only source of "new" water is to take/buy it from farmers."

And the water to grow the food will then come from???

A sustainable population growth (say 1.5% rather than the recent 8-13%), not simply hemorrhaging subdivision upon subdivision would be a good place to start.

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