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Old 06-09-2008   #1
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Dagger Nomad vs LL Jefe

I'm in the market for a new creek boat. Any thoughts on which boat is better? I'm about to move back east so I'll mainly be running class 4/5 pool drop in lower volume water. I weigh 180 lbs so I'm probably in the ideal weight range for either one.

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Old 06-09-2008   #2
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nomad vs. jefe'

I had a Nomad 8.1 for 2 years and moved over to a Jefe' last year. Great move for me. Jefe' is more stable surfaces, faster, does not back ender, more roomy, more storage space, better outfitting, doesn't leak. Need I say more? Regular runs I do are Vallecito and Baker's Box, Jefe is wayy better in Baker's and I just feel better overall in class V with the Jefe.
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Old 06-09-2008   #3
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Having used both only a small amount, here is my opinion: Jefe.

The Dagger outfitting is super cheap these past few years, and as a result is both leaky and less comfortable. They use only 2 screws to mount the sides of the seat, and the system they have developed leaks terribly b/c they can't stay tight. In contrast, the Jefe is like sitting in a comfy chair, doesn't leak, and lasts longer.

As far as general characteristics, the Jefe is a boat that loves to spin. Lots of sculling strokes, open faced and closed faced draw strokes, etc. Since it seems to not need as much carving, I find it easier to control very quickly in a pinch.

I also like the Jackson Rocker. Requires more carving than the Jefe, has an amazing secondary stability, autoboof, doesn't backflip you hitting huge waves head on, etc. I like the engineering of the outfitting being so freakin simple (an also doesn't leak- no screw holes through the shell), but apparently the Jefe outfitting will last longer and is definitely more comfortable. The Jackson uses the nicer plastic (bi-lateral matrix or whatnot). The downside to the Jackson plastic is if one puts a hole in the boat it is not patchable (via blowtorch). Lighter boat.

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Old 06-09-2008   #4
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If you are carrying gear which of course you should. pin kit, etc. with a weight of 180, you owe it to yourself to at least try out the grande before deciding.
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Old 06-09-2008   #5
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jefe grande

Yeah def try the Grande. It's bigger but doesn't paddle all that much bigger. It makes moves easier and keeps you up out of the water a little better. It's also a bit faster. Get the Jefe or Grande and you'll be super happy.

That said... I can't really say anything bad about the nomad except they leak. Both paddle good.
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I've had a nomad for the past couple of years. Though leaky, I love the design. It does exactly what I want it to do, boofing, speed, turns, etc. Can't say much about the Jefe either way.
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Old 06-09-2008   #7
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Myself and two others I know are in love with our Grande's!! Go with the bigger boat. It definitely doesn't feel like your paddling that big of a boat. I didn't care all that much for the old Jefe but I frickin love this thing. And ya the outfitting is the best I've ever sat in, IMO.
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Old 06-09-2008   #8
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How much do you way flowtorch? I fluctuate between 170-180 without gear and I'm worried the grande might be a little too big for me.
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Old 06-09-2008   #9
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Just go one and I like it. I'm 6-1, 175 and I definitely think that the Jefe is big enough. Floats me really high. I definitely don't think that I need any more volume at my size.
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Old 06-09-2008   #10
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I have paddled both boats and I think that I am making the move to the Nomad. I really like the Jefe design but the plastic is stiff and loves to crack. I think that Nomad plastic is much better though it is leaky. The Nomad 8.5 is an awesome boat for sure, but the Jefe is definitely a classic great design.

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