It is further south than Pikes Peak drainage. This creek is quite unique from anything I've seen in Colorado with respect to its geological tour. Not 8 mile. I'm not sure what 8 mile is like but Pikes Peak has great snow this year. One note about Beaver, we've done some serious Topo scouting of this one. If we are reading things right, there is a section in there that drops over 1000 ft per mile - there are two forks. Do your homework and hike on Beaver if you think of running it. As for 11 mile, I love that run at 1000 cfs - good drops, doesn't run big very often.