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Old 03-12-2009   #1
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Co Guide Book ?

Always had friends with CRCII, always planned on picking up a copy, just never have. Anyway, I'm getting the itch to (always happens this time of year) but am questioning if Whitewater of the Southern Rockies would be a better bet. I searched and saw a few opinions but not as much as I thought I would. So besides the fact that CRCII has better river maps and fewer pics what else is different? Oh yea, and Whitewater of the Southern Rockies has more territory.

Any more runs for a typical 2 - 3 day trip? I mainly hit IV on rivers, not much creaking. I do want to do more overnighters.

Kayak vs Raft? I'm Kayaking now but I see rubber in my future with two young ones sleeping upstairs. I'll have to start em on easy stuff as the oldest is 3.

Detail broken down by flow? Beta?

Anything else besides the 2X cost?

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Old 03-12-2009   #2
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Oh yeah- it'll be like you favorite porn DVD. There is sooo much in there to stimulate you that you won't miss that extra $15, trust me.

As for information on the individual runs, I think it's fairly comparable to CRC II. There are just so many more runs covered that are appealing to both hard-core creekers and family floats, it'll be a good purchase for you. If you decide to hit up the San Juan or Dolores you'll still need to geta mile-by-mile guide, but WW of the SR will certainly stir the loins ...... much like the aforementioned porn.

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Old 03-13-2009   #3
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CRC II generally has more info about the runs it covers and it has some really useful maps. To be honest the maps in WWSR are a disappointment to me - they could have included a lot more information and been a lot more useful. WWSR assumes that you carry an copy of the Colorado, or whatever state you are traveling in, atlas and gazateer. Even then CRC II still wins on the maps.

WWSR has more runs and better photos, but less information for most runs. If you stay in Colorado/North New Mexico I think that CRC II is the better guide. WWSR is the better pick it up and dream book. I don't mean to be a hater, I love WWSR and my copy gets used a lot. Its the one with my post it notes through out it marking the runs I want to do and favorites I will go back to.

On that same tip - I love looking through "Whitewater Classics" to get stoked for rivers in other parts of the country. Whitewater Classics: Fifty North American Rivers Picked by the Continent's Leading Paddlers: Tyler Williams: Books

Personally I have all three plus a bunch more. I kinda have a whitewater addiction.
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Old 03-13-2009   #4
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I have both and for a while I carried both around. Now its (WWSR) pretty much all I use. Plus in the off season it is what helps me push out those non-fiber poos. The only downside is it is heavy cause it is not just the new testament but the Koran and Tanakh too, if that is a down side.
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Old 03-13-2009   #5
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raftus exploring isn't always about maps and its says in the book it goes with the gazeterre map things. come on. the new testiment is the best fucking book in the world. its the only book i can sit down and read and not get bored. petes lessons are by far the best section. and plus the amount of runs in the new testes.
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the best fucking book in the world.
Mike speaks truth. Now I just wish those two slackers would go write a California guide too.
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Old 03-13-2009   #7
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If I had to pick just one, I'd get WWSR. To me the best feature is that it has min, low, med, and high flows with difficulty and quality ratings. I've used this info many a time when going to a new run, or contemplating a run wondering how low it will go. WWSR also sheds some light on much more area and gets me inspired to go road tripping!

The things I liked about the crc better was that it fit perfectly between my car seat and console (WWSR is too big for that), and it had mile by mile gradient numbers for all steeper runs (mostly class V stuff).

I use both books regularly and often look at both descriptions and write ups.
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Old 03-13-2009   #8
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Get Both!

I'd get both if money is not an issue! I just bought my copy of WWSR and I love it!! Like someone mentioned above, it get's me in the mood for road trippin!! I own both books, but I also love guide books! I'm sure majority is going to say WWSR.


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I just looked on Amazon and the WWSR is 49.00 new with 4 in stock and they have 5 used starting at 77.73 go figure, a new book is cheaper than a used one. The new ones are on sale
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sorry, here is the link Whitewater of the Southern Rockies: Evan Stafford and Kyle McCutchen: Books

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