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Old 07-20-2006   #1
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what flow do you need for Cheesman to be worthwhile? Any insiders know if it is going to get higher?

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I believe you need 300. But what is the flow? USGS shows 250 and phat shows 170? It also looks like it has been up higher recently on USGS?

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Old 07-20-2006   #3
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The USGS gauge is downstream of the Colorado DWR gauge (the one on phateye). The DWR gauge is located near Lake George (near the put in, I believe), and seems to measure almost exclusively the outflow from 11 mile res. The USGS gauge is located just above Cheeseman res, and therefore measures the 11 mile discharge plus tributaries, such as tarryall creek. The USGS gauge was up around 400cfs because of the rain we had during the monsoon event.

Hopefully they will start releasing some more water out of 11 mile to get wildcat canyon running. 11 mile is more than full: so hopefully we will get a Cheeseman season this year...
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Old 07-20-2006   #4
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from tim kelly dated Thu Jun 02, 2005 ( :

"SP stated in Spg '02 that they would lift the trash racks and not stop paddlers that were not touching the bed or the banks. The Hayman fire closure and drought have effectively kept paddlers out so this good faith agreement has never been actually tested...They did ask that paddlers try to limit their "footprint" and come through all at once as much as possible between 9-11am. This agreement is based on good will. Please go out of your way to help maintain this. The two-mile portage sucks! So make sure your buddy does his part too.

I walked in and scouted all the way to Punji Stick summer of '03. The fire didn't touch along the river to there and I saw no "new" wood. I would be very cautious though, and it would be worth scouting at low flows to see if any wood is hiding. Seeing the affects of the fire and just the beauty of Wildcat Canyon are worth the day.

Not sure if the take out road (4x4 trail to river) is open or passable. It was closed in '03. District USFS office in Pueblo may know. Its a bitch walking your boat up that road.

As for the river, I've paddled it as low as 180 and would do that anytime though "Let's make a deal" is really marginal at that level. Water does channel nicely through SP at 180 so you can float it. Around 300 is a great level. It gets pushy above that.

As Gary said, this is a serious run. The CL II-III section between Punji stick and Underpriviledged has channels that sieve out and if you enter the wrong one the only way out is through a sieve.

CRC has great beta for this run, but the channels are complex and rapids like Underpriviledge and Dos Chaos come up real qiuck. This is definitely a run that you don't paddle around blind corners or over horizon lines without scouting. The spiders on this run are real.

As for are talking about Denver and Aurora water needs DW controls Three resevoirs Antero, 11-mile and Cheesman. Aurora controls Spinney.

Antero is only 15% full and storing everything.
Spinney is over 50% and storing 30cfs of its intake
11-mile is 101% and storing 40cfs of its intake.
Cheesman is 101%

What does it all mean...there are so many variables don't even try to figure it out. I would just sign-up with e-phlows on Phateye and set the level at 180 or whatever trigger you want to alert you. (The gage reading on the AW page is for flow coming into Cheesman which adds in flow from Tarryal Creek. Need to monitor the gage called near Lake George)

Park and put-on above SP at one of the parking areas below the camp grounds. I would check to make sure the trash racks are not down prior to putting on though. If they are down, then just make the portage and send me an email

Enjoy, and be safe
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I was in there last year fishing when the water was at maybe 100 cfs. We went from the bottom up to Dos Chaos. No wood problems at that level, but plenty of sieves that would require constant scouting. I would think you'd want 200+ before running the stuff I looked at.

The road to the takeout IS still gated although I'm not sure why because the 4X4 access from the East side is open to all. Everything below the confluence with Tarryall Creek would be boring as shit, so I would be prepared for some wheel chair boating and a shitty hike if you can't find a way to get down there.

Not trying to topic change, but can anyone tell me when 11-mile canyon starts to be worth doing? The BOC website has a guide that says 150 and up. Since I didn't live here during the fires, what do you all think is a worthwhile level.
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Old 08-02-2006   #6
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will cheeseman go this weekend?

flows bumped up a little bit . . .
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Old 08-02-2006   #7
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I ran it at about 325 or so a few years back, I wouldn't run it with much less, cover up those sieves. I'll post an old pic.
has more.
I've got some old vid too, some good stuff of TK running underpriveledged & dos chaos.
It was a scary run. but good.


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